Lull question – IFPI codes

[Arthur]

I have a question about this copy: http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=3354
It says \"CAROL 1465-2 (first pressing)\", and the matrix code is \"CAR01465 ifpi 1635 IFPI L043 2-1-2 MASTERED BY EMI MFG\". And as release date we’ve got \"1991/11/05\".

However, if I understand it correctly, they didn’t start using those IFPI codes until 1994.
Does that mean we’ve got the release date and the \"first pressing\" wrong for this one?
Or did they start using IFPI codes earlier, but only forced use everywhere from 1994?

[Cool As Ice Cream]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio … nti-piracy

In 1994, in an effort to combat piracy, the IFPI and the compact disc manufacturing industry introduced Source Identification (SID) codes, which are markings on CD parts that identify the manufacturers, equipment, and master discs that were used to create each disc.

SID codes are formatted as the letters \"IFPI\" followed by 4 or 5 hexadecimal digits. A SID-marked disc typically bears at least two codes, each imprinted on different physical components. A number prefaced with \"L\" is a \"mastering code,\" a serial number taken from a pool assigned by Philips to the manufacturer. It identifies the Laser Beam Recorder (LBR) signal processor or mold that produced a particular stamper or a glass master disc from which molds are produced. Non-\"L\" numbers are \"mold codes\", the first 2 or 3 digits of which are assigned by Philips to the operator of the manufacturing or mastering plant, which might not be the same plant that manufactured the stamper or glass master; and the remaining digits are a serial number assigned by that plant to its molds.[15][/quote:13gipf1e]

[Cool As Ice Cream]

http://www.ifpi.org/content/library/sid … -guide.pdf

yep, it was introduced in 1994.

[manillascissor]

so that’s listed incorrectly, it should be a 1994 reissue. lull did come out in 1991, right? so we are just overlooking/missing the original caroline pressing.

[Cool As Ice Cream]

there is one 1991 US copy in the spfreaks.com collection, but it was pressed in the UK. that doesn’t seem to make too much sense to me. any chance that one was pressed in the US anyway? maybe Nimbus had a US pressing plant too? or what is the reason to assume it was pressed in the UK?
http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … S&item=133 UK 1991 copy (HUTCD 10)
http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=2065 US 1991 copy – pressed in UK? (CAROL 1465)
http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=3354 US 1994 copy
http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … S&item=267 another US 1994 copy, but without IFPI codes

the australian copy also seems to have an IFPI code, so the release date here is probably off too.
http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … LS&item=81

[Cool As Ice Cream]

I did some googling and apparently Nimbus also had a factory in VA, US.
http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showp … stcount=17

First, here is the history of Welsh company (later to expand to Charlottesville, Virginia) Nimbus from the site referenced by Mike Ga:

\"Classical record label Nimbus Records moved to the Wyastone Leys Estate and started LP production for their own recordings in 1977. They quickly gained a reputation for making high quality vinyl pressings, and started to offer a custom pressing service soon afterwards. When the CD format was launched, Nimbus built the first CD factory in the UK, again on the Wyastone Leys Estate, and during the next years this business expanded rapidly until Nimbus Manufacturing had additional CD plants in Cwmbran and in Charlottesville, Virginia, USA. During this time Nimbus also won the Queen’s Award for Technological Achievement.\"[/quote:xblknkwz]

the website now has a different \"\":

Nimbus Disc & Print Services offers CD and DVD disc duplication and short run digital printing.

It was established in response to the rising number of slow-selling titles on our own classical and jazz labels that had to be deleted due to high stockholding costs.

Headquartered on the English Welsh border just three miles from Monmouth and seven miles to Ross-on-Wye, Nimbus has always combined interests in music and manufacturing. In 1977 we established a high quality LP pressing facility; in 1983 we launched the UK’s first CD plant and in the mid 1990s we became technology partners with Toshiba and Time Warner for DVD as well as Eastman Kodak for CD-R. Combining our technical experience with our market knowledge we created a short run production facility which manufactures high quality, low cost CDs and DVDs and a wide range of print and packaging materials.

In 2002 we made our short run production facilities available to 3rd party customers and are now one of the largest short run facilities in the world. We are the exclusive manufacturer and distributor for a range of partner labels incldukng Hallé, Saydisc, Lyrita, Retrospective, and provide custom pressing services to more than 300 record labels, software companies and artists.

The industry magazine Digital2Disc recently published an Industry Spotlight on Nimbus about Short run production.

For more information on our musical and technical history please request a free copy of our book Technology Serving the Arts.[/quote:xblknkwz]

[manillascissor]

http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … S&item=239

potentially incorrect as well?

[Cool As Ice Cream]

i think so.

i bought my copy of this about five years ago, and it was new.
it would be a bit strange indeed if a record store was still selling new gish cds that were pressed in ’91.

[manillascissor]

there is one 1991 US copy in the spfreaks.com collection, but it was pressed in the UK. that doesn’t seem to make too much sense to me. any chance that one was pressed in the US anyway? maybe Nimbus had a US pressing plant too? or what is the reason to assume it was pressed in the UK?
http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … S&item=133 UK 1991 copy (HUTCD 10)
http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=2065 US 1991 copy – pressed in UK? (CAROL 1465)
http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=3354 US 1994 copy
http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … S&item=267 another US 1994 copy, but without IFPI codes

the australian copy also seems to have an IFPI code, so the release date here is probably off too.
http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … LS&item=81[/quote:1s8wg6sn]

my US copy is this one: ( http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … S&item=267 another US 1994 copy, but without IFPI codes). obvious it’s from 1994, as the date of pressing is stamped right into the ring.

i have two UK copies. first one is this one: ( http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … S&item=133 UK 1991 copy (HUTCD 10)), however i believe the matrix codes are wrong on the site, (should end in 2:5, not 2:2). also, there IS an IFPI code on the inner ring that reads ifpi 2317 (which is manufactured in Großbritannien – German for Great Britain). so it’s a real UK CD, but pressed post 94.

the second copy i have is the promo version from UK. it has similar codes, yet different:

HUTCD 10 : 1:1 MASTERED BY NIMBUS – NO IFPI CODES

I checked both commercial and promotional japan copies and they are ifpi free.

[manillascissor]

i just looked at the pictures of the HUTCD 10 from the UK on the site, and it DOES look like 2:2 there, not 2:5, like my copy.

i would gather then, my copy is the lastest pressing, because it has ifpi codes.

the 2:2 copy is what then? because my early promo ends in 1:1. shouldn’t they be identical if they are both first UK pressings?

how many motherfucking lull pressings are there?

[Cool As Ice Cream]

i think those numbers (1:1, 2:2, 2:5, 1:1:4) can vary very quickly. in one \"pressing\", multiple combinations can exist. a different number doesn’t necessarily mean a new pressing.

i believe they indicate what father/mother/son was used for the particular cd. (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Di … troforming)
obviously this isn’t an official, international code. it’s just something used by that pressing plant, for internal use.

but that’s just my interpretation of those numbers. if someone knows more about this, feel free to correct or comment.

[Arthur]

http://www.spfreaks.com/?page=COLLDETAILS&item=2065 US 1991 copy – pressed in UK? (CAROL 1465)[/quote:o96gwrep]
Yes, since the 1991 UK copy is HUT all over:

http://www.spfreaks.com/?page=COLLDETAILS&item=133

Makes it fair to believe that if the artwork is all US, and presuming the jewelcase contains the original CD, then it was pressed in the UK. That’s what the matrix codes say at least.

http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?page=COLLDETAILS&item=3354 US 1994 copy[/quote:o96gwrep]
1991 date has been changed to 1994 date.

the australian copy also seems to have an IFPI code, so the release date here is probably off too.
http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … LS&item=81[/quote:o96gwrep]
1991 date has been changed to 1994 date.

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