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    • #1893

      jupiter
      Spectator

      did anyone suspect that our governments were lying and spying, etc? – yes

      if anyone is not convinced, please read some of the documents that were released by Manning and Snowden at wikileaks

      :)

    • #47310

      marigold
      Spectator

      well, not exactly the govt, see here for an explanation: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1s0csb3

      still not good – but like the post says – accountability (and transparency) would help a lot

    • #47311

      jupiter
      Spectator

      it’s all about our corrupt little minds!

      this is a post (supposed to be a reply to the ufo thread, but i musthave hit New Topic on this one too)

      meh

    • #47312

      marigold
      Spectator

      the corporations corrupt minds you mean?

      http://www.collective-evolution.com/201 … ching-you/

      I think it’s all about controlling the market for certain products (big brands) and profits.

      More reason to support local products and services! :)

    • #47313

      jupiter
      Spectator

      i blame free trade

      the oppression that we are fighting can all be traced back to ppls greed :(

    • #47314

      i blame you.

    • #47315

      jupiter
      Spectator

      all humans are to blame!

    • #47316

      marigold
      Spectator

      Not all humans, I wouldn’t blame people like the Dalai Lama, and those working to help others. Snowden and Manning too!

      I blame corporations, they run the world, but it’s very difficult for most of us to avoid supporting them – for example if you have a car, it’s impossible! :?

      I was reading today about income tax not existing before 1913 – gotta wonder how we (or the govt) survived before then….hmmm :?:

    • #47317

      I was reading today about income tax not existing before 1913 – gotta wonder how we (or the govt) survived before then….hmmm :?:[/quote:2qt23uk9]
      i bet a huge amount of people didn’t.

    • #47318

      marigold
      Spectator

      they probably didn’t, and a huge amount are barely surviving today :?

    • #47319

      so what exactly are you saying about income tax? i’m getting mixed messages here.

    • #47320

      jupiter
      Spectator

      you do realize, the way the world is going, human culling will be necessary in 200-300 years :(

    • #47321

      marigold
      Spectator

      so what exactly are you saying about income tax? i’m getting mixed messages here.[/quote:erhithtw]

      I actually think it’s worse now, more poverty, more wars, and more inequality – thanks income tax! :evil:

    • #47322

      jupiter
      Spectator

      yes, governments have cleverly (or stupidly) gradually increased taxes :(

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