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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Smashing-Pumpki … 4d01bbfdd9
you be the judge…
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i also think this is real.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/330741579225i mean, i can’t know for sure, as i’ve never seen detailed pictures of the real thing. but i remember reading that the sleeves were taped, and you can see that happen in one of the pictures.
also, if billy says it’s \"too good to be true\", this means he can’t see anything wrong with it. so it could very well be real. maybe he just can’t believe someone is selling it. as a conclusion, he bets it’s fake. -
take a look at what else they are selling. look close at it. im guessing this is the Q101 copy.[/quote:36mdzrd7]
i now know for sure that this is the Q101 copy, but for another reason than you. (i still don’t understand how you concluded this.)my reason:
it’s the same seller as back in august 2005: http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI…unipertreeblue
i remember the seller was called selling4supper back then.i can’t remember if she ever properly proved that this was a real copy, but her story was that her friend or boyfriend gave it to her, after buying it at a silent auction for about $400. it’s the q101 copy. i think she said it was numbered 19/25, but we haven’t seen any pictures of that.
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take a look at what else they are selling. look close at it. im guessing this is the Q101 copy.[/quote:16notvvx]
i now know for sure that this is the Q101 copy, but for another reason than you. (i still don’t understand how you concluded this.)[/quote:16notvvx]me too and i just can not believe they are doing this!!!
as per BC’s reaction on Twitter: exactly right you just said Bram.
he still has copies left, the ones given out were gifts NOT TO BE SOLD!!!!
i can imagine BC will up the ante to re-acquire this one too…I must say though: this is a VERY used copy judging per the labels et al.
you can only play these acetates around 25 times before degradation hits big time!
so what are you buying then???well at least BC knows the offer still stands and holds to this very day.
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I must say though: this is a VERY used copy judging per the labels et al.
you can only play these acetates around 25 times before degradation hits big time!
so what are you buying then???[/quote:1b38kotr]
agreed.
even if you could acquire a brand new copy, would it be worth the thousands of dollars?
the only reason to buy this is to have it in your collection. not to listen to it. right? -
take a look at what else they are selling. look close at it. im guessing this is the Q101 copy.[/quote:1c9pfw4j]
i now know for sure that this is the Q101 copy, but for another reason than you. (i still don’t understand how you concluded this.)[/quote:1c9pfw4j]
Easy. Look at the second auction and check the pic with the name plate. -
ok, i’ve seen the inscription on the APC award now.
now the question is: is this ebay seller the same person that received this award (ebay username history mentions a mary)? or is her story about the auction, and getting this from her friend, all true? maybe this APC award was also bought at this Q101 auction.
in the case that this is the same mary, then the story changes though. this means she used to work at Q101 and took the machina II copy with her (allowed or not allowed). this would also mean that there never was an auction, etc. and that she made that whole thing up. now that would be a bit fishy… did she kind of steal it from Q101? is that why she pulled the plug on the auction back in 2005? was she afraid that it was going to get too much attention and that she would be found out?
or was her story true, and was she genuinely afraid that her friend or ex-friend who gave it to her, was going to find out about her selling it? and has that situation changed now? -
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Billy Corgan @Billy
@MonteLDS if Machina 2 is the Q101 copy than it should not be made available for sale because it was given as promo only and SP owns rights=============================================================================================================
\"In 2007, mega record company Universal Music Group (UMG) sued a music seller named Troy Augusto, who made money selling promo discs on eBay they gave him, saying that doing so violated the company’s licensing agreement banning any sale of such copies. In UMG vs. Augusto, however, the Ninth Court held up a 2008 lower court ruling in favor of Augusto that said promos were \"gifts\" under federal law, with this one also ruling in his favor that \"having just a stamp on a CD label cannot a make a recipient abide by a licensing agreement. As a result, individuals may resell promotional CDs as they wish, regardless of warnings….
UMG tried to get away with the weak argument that they transferred the license of these promos to Augusto and that he therefore violated copyright law bey reselling them on eBay, when in actuality they transferred not a license but ownership of those discs to him.
The other big legal issue here was whether the \"first sale doctrine\" protected Augusto, which says that consumers (or purchasers) can do what they want with items like music CDs, DVDs or books after they get transferred to them. The Court ruled it did, so in this case, the original copyright owner (UMG) lost its ability to control sales of its items once it gave them to another person like Augusto.\"
Read more: http://blogcritics.org/music/article/mu … z1wUS1odzI
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also, if this really was sold ten years ago at an auction for charity that q101 donated many items to, then billy’s a little late protesting against the sale. it already got sold ten years ago. do you think the new owner knows that this is supposed to be a promotional item and that billy still owns the rights? it’s not like the set has any information regarding copyright, being promotional, whatever.
i find billy’s reaction (phony pony, sp owns rights) quite pathetic, to be honest.
maybe he’s disappointed that a copy ended up on ebay, but this is not a good way to go about it.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/330741579225
Q: What number is this Machina 2?
A: It is not numbered. I do not see a number anywhere stating which number of 25 this is. I am not sure if there is supposed to be a number. The only things numbered are what I took photos of which are the album sequence. Thanks for your interest.[/quote:yq54klpx]
didn’t she say it was numbered the last time? (number 19.)she’s once again doing quite a bad job convincing people that this is real.
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Probably she hopes to get away with it this time, unlike the other time she tried to sell it. When it hit the 10k barrier that time, the auction was stopped, and everybody wondered why. I remember people suggesting that Billy bought it back behind the screens, but obviously that did not happen. Maybe she got a letter from Billy’s lawyer/management back then, that scared the shit out of her. But now she tries again…!?
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I must say though: this is a VERY used copy judging per the labels et al.
you can only play these acetates around 25 times before degradation hits big time!
so what are you buying then???[/quote:2fh53g9z]
agreed.
even if you could acquire a brand new copy, would it be worth the thousands of dollars?
the only reason to buy this is to have it in your collection. not to listen to it. right?[/quote:2fh53g9z]
This copy looks rather crisp to me, but I checked the pics only on my mobile phone to be honest. The inner sleeves are good, the outer sleeves look shiny, and some discoloring on the labels does not mean it has been played heavily. Just my 2 cents… -
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Probably she hopes to get away with it this time, unlike the other time she tried to sell it. When it hit the 10k barrier that time, the auction was stopped, and everybody wondered why. I remember people suggesting that Billy bought it back behind the screens, but obviously that did not happen. Maybe she got a letter from Billy’s lawyer/management back then, that scared the shit out of her. But now she tries again…!?[/quote:1bqtt2zd]
agree exactly. 3 day auction, people who would notice, notice, and in today’s social networking capacity, the news spreads like wildfire. so why 3 days? in and out.
also, back in 2005, the auction was probably stopped due to some of the claims we have been discussing in this thread. however, it’s 2012, 4 years after that case i mentioned from 2008. perhaps she sells things in 4 year cycles?
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https://twitter.com/Billy/status/208536290961006592
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How ironical: while the price goes up, the legal status dropped to "inappropriate"… And this might do justice to the whole situation I think. -
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I didnt realize that Billy Corgan would have a problem with the selling of it.[/quote:3qiz2n0g]
Billy will most probably not approve this…[/quote:3qiz2n0g]
Seller should have contacted me first before setting up this auction…
(And what happened in 2005 then? Why was it ended suddenly back then?) Anyway, if Billy is clever he offers this seller a small but still fair price, and claims the return of this Q101 vinyl copy of Machina II back into his possession. -
i do believe the situation in 2005 was different.
i think she freaked out, and stopped the auction earlier. she didn’t cancel it though: the highest winner at the moment the auction ended early, was going to get the machina II set. (but then they decided not to go through with it.)
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