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like i said earlier, the \"we love you\" is very out of place next to the other messages. but it’s a very billy corgan thing to say.
kewl.
i’m surprised about that rumour though. so that came out of nowhere?
wasn’t that rumour – that bc was upset about this – one of the main reasons to delete the tweet? and the start of the whole drama wave?
well, well…My answer now is: he was not ‘allowed’ to ‘put his signature in the dead wax’, he was told so.
Suffice to say for what I know that it wasn’t his personal idea by any means.
Also: he didn’t know of the messages decoded until I told him what these spelled out.[/quote:2d8xa1ph]
ooh. interesting.so that guy from netphoria is right: people at the pressing plant just do as they’re told. they etch into the master whatever people ask them.
now the question remains: who asked for these coded messages to be added?
did someone somewhere in the chain between band and cutter try to add it sneakily?
was it requested properly, just like any band would request an extra message in the matrix code, by filling in the appropriate part on the appropriate form?But I’m still curious who ok-ed that on a higher level. And was the full text known to this person that ok-ed it?[/quote:abfxdq4c]
that remains a mystery for now.i thought we’d never hear anything from this, but with sven’s digging, we might actually find out what exactly happened.
what about bc’s reaction? has that been confirmed, or was that just a rumour?
– so is it true that billy was upset when he heard about these? or is that an unconfirmed rumour? if not, who checked where?
– so this person was allowed to add his signature to the matrix code. it’s not clear who allowed him to do this.
— did it go all the way up to billy to give the ok (possibly without knowing what the extra numbers stood for)?
— or is it possible that someone above the master cutter gave the ok, but billy had no idea things were added?i don’t understand what you’re trying to say.[/quote:1fnn93ce]
OK I wil try again.
From what I’ve learned:
1- I know who cut the masters and therewith these matrix codes.
2- This person is extremely polite and gave me the information I asked for without any trouble.
3- He told me the whole of the release and mastering including the matrix codes as I asked about those specifically was "’legitimate".
4- He told me he’d never jeopardize anything with such a big release on his hands and was OK-ed to "put his signature in the Dead Wax".
5- There’s more, but I am not sure I am at liberty to talk about that in public, though nothing related to these matrix codes.That’s why I said: it’s legit or legitimate. There’s for me at least no reason to doubt this person.
I can’t say if he was told to sign the matrix the way he did or that BC explicit or implicit knew of this ‘signature’ and the message(s) spelled out. I just do not know. I can try to check this though. And will.[/quote:1fnn93ce]
thank you for trying again.so what exactly are you saying here? that this person is legit, that you have no reason to doubt his version?
or that these messages were legitimated, that this person was allowed to add them (by "someone")?
by mentioning "put his signature in the dead wax", you imply these hidden messages are his. correct?i don’t know what \"it was legit\" means. what exactly was legit? and to me, \"legit\" means real. obviously you’re using the word with a different meaning here. a meaning not known by me.
those quotes from netphoria are just the opinions of two different people. i don’t think they know anything. those are just guesses.
\"it was all legit\"? what does that mean?
that the person who had to etch it only did it because he was told to do so? that these numbers were written on the form under \"matrix code appendix (optional)\"?two opinions on who could be responsible for this from netphoria.org:
i’ve worked with pressing plants before and it’s not about approving the matrix codes. there’s only a certain amount of information that must be etched onto the outgroove. the rest of that information is provided by the band or someone working for the band on a form that is filled out with individual boxes etc you know the type.
so it’s not about approving the numbers so much as it is who decided that they be put there. it is least likely someone at the plant took it upon themselves to do this that would be too risky.
the guys pressing really don’t care what they’re pressing on the grooves they just do what they’re told. coded language or not.[/quote:32d5bl3h]
I can guarantee that Kerry was never anywhere near or had any involvement with the pressing plates.
My guess is Billy pissed someone off big time. I have a feeling he drove who ever cut the lacquer nuts. Maybe he kept rejecting test pressings or something like that.
The fact that it is only on SD and not on Gish makes me think it’s not Billy. If it was him it would have been some grand plan to do it on all the reissues before he got tired of it.
Think of it like this. They master Gish, Billy makes them recut the lacquer twice for silly reasons. SD gets mastered Billy makes them recut SD, engineer get pissed hides a few extra numbers in the matrix.
This happened when they were cutting the lacquer it’s the only thing that makes sense.[/quote:32d5bl3h]
if i had to guess why that topic was locked, i don’t think it had anything to do with the matrix codes being discussed, but with the sudden explosion of drama from your side, sven. i think everyone was scratching their head over those couple of posts. and then someone must have closed the thread to prevent further drama.
but that’s just my guess. correct me if i’m wrong.i personally think it’s sad that the thread got closed. there is unfinished business there. i suddenly feel like i’m at the o-board or something. as soon as the excitement level goes up higher than the rim of the bathtub, the thread gets closed.
but once again, it’s not my messageboard. so carry on.sven, i hope you will come back once you have slept on this. i find this whole thing over the top. i personally don’t consider anything of what happened recently censorship.
you could read geofolkers’ post as if only positive things were allowed from now on.
there’s a big difference between being negative all the time and allowing \"negative\" opinions.If this is per se the ideology of SPFreaks I per now and per se will refrain from being a part of this community as and per how this narrow minded policiy is being conducted.[/quote:2x9lzwdf]
i don’t think this is the new spfreaks.com ideology. calm down, sven. i’m sure we can work this out.
i must admit, i was also confused when i read that. see some of my previous posts.I see, only a few are anywhere near the stupidity of the one on this SD vinyl though, but then again, if they had been sent any that were similar would they have put them in that list?[/quote:22sjl6xy]
i think the difference is that most of the messages on that webpage were put there by the band, and not by someone else who was trying to be funny.also, as the editor in chief of NME told me: it’s no longer a private matter once you have the records in your hands and those are out there… so…[/quote:h9jm0ffc]
what i meant is that if someone gets fired over this, for example, then that’s not really any of our business. and however they want to deal with this (leave it be, or try to find who’s responsible, or moving to another company to press the next sp vinyl releases, … i don’t know, whatever), they can do that in private.
and even though i do wonder what’s behind this, and also what might come of this, i still think handling this situation in private is the best way to deal with it.
the complete opposite way could be tweeting "hey, we got that cunt at the pressing plant, who put dirty words on siamese dream, fired. victory! LOOOOOOOL!".haha, this one’s funny:
Joy Division â âStillâ
Side A: the chicken won’t stop
Side B: (chicken feet marks)
Side C: (chicken feet marks)
Side D: the chicken stops here[/quote:39m5f4h3]Do you have any examples of messages left on other vinyls? Are they as immature as this?[/quote:3knbar4g]
check out this webpage: http://www.publiccollectors.org/MatrixMessages.htmA&R – the master cutter / pressing plant refrains from comments.[/quote:1trfl0lu]
who checked this? that’s a great move. thanks for checking with them, even though nothing came out of it.i didn’t think it was that big of a deal, and i’m surprised NME and Pitchfork are on this. do they even care?
i can understand the band will try and find who’s responsible for this, but this is, in my opinion, something that is best taken care of in private.
Let Billy bring it out himself, and tell us what his actions are going to be. If he wants to bring it out, that is.[/quote:29cbpam0]
he won’t.
and he doesn’t have to inform anyone. it’s none of our business.
i do wonder about this, but i don’t think it’d be right.
