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i’m not saying we should start bitching and moaning or anything. but i don’t like the sound of this \"positive sp\" thing. it’s too restrictive. where did that all of a sudden come from? i know the forum has to stay clean. no trolling. that’s clear. but this \"positive\" thing is new to me. and i don’t like it very much. what is this? the new crestfallen.com?
note that this is just a bit of a question/remark on the side.
this isn’t about these matrix code messages and whether to make a lot of noise about them. i can understand why one would choose not to. if you look at it as rude graffiti, it makes sense. by putting it on twitter, you’re helping the vandal, not the victim.i think spfreaks should be mainly about collecting and all related freaky things, and not so much about being positive. there are enough websites around already that have made that their main selling point.
i consider this matrix code message as a funny little fact. i don’t see what’s so wrong or negative about it. it’s there. well, ok, the message itself is negative, but reporting about it doesn’t have to be.
(i can imagine it was put there by someone who doesn’t like the smashing pumpkins. that could explain it. like a sort of sneaky graffiti. from that point of view, it is negative. and it’s immature, no matter what the reason behind it is.)discovering a secret message in a matrix code is big spfreaks news to me. and in my opinion, more important than being a \"positive sp site\", whatever that is supposed to mean.
and i don’t even think reporting about this would make spfreaks.com a negative sp site. i don’t see how it would make a difference, really.i’m not saying it should be on twitter necessarily. i don’t really care about that. but i do find it a bit weird that it was suddenly removed.
i find these hidden messages quite weird, and all i want is to find out a bit more about it. where did it come from, mainly.that’s just my thoughts on this. it’s not my website, it’s not my twitter account. so carry on.
Or: he didn’t notice these remarks in the matrix.[/quote:15ln82o7]
well, who would notice that? they’re just numbers, aren’t they?i also wonder what BC will think of this when he hears about it, assuming that he doesn’t know about these messages yet.
and i agree. the messages are very immature.i don’t think so as these are not very TSP-like messages.[/quote:1li28npy]
well, i thought so too, while i was decoding them, but then i decoded "we love you", and that’s a very pumpkins-like message. they even had a song called , played live mainly during the resume the pose tour. so who knows? (they also have a song called "fuck you".)anyway, i don’t think BC is behind this at all.
but that "we love you" is really out of place there. it doesn’t make sense when you put it next to the other messages.thanks for checking, sven.
do you think billy knows about these?
who would be able to add these codes to the matrix code? does it have to be someone at the record plant? the person who mastered the record for vinyl?i don’t think they serve any purpose. if they leave these numbers out, the matrix code would still contain enough information to do what it’s supposed to do.
basically i was asking for the matrix codes of another copy, just to make sure all copies have the same codes, but in the mean time, i have found the matrix codes of another copy, and they’re identical. so i assume every copy has the same matrix codes.
it wouldn’t hurt to double check, if anyone has another opened copy, but i think it’s already fair to assume all matrix codes are the same.the thing is, i was checking the matrix codes, and they were a bit longer than i was expecting. a string of numbers, apparently random, was added. these are the ones i’m talking about, one on each side:
5099967929016 Siamese Dream Disc 1 Side 1 A+R Dallas SPGII S-27899 RE-2 6.21.3.11 25.15.21
5099967928910 Siamese Dream Disc 1 Side 2 S-27900 RE-2 19.21.3.11 13.25 4.9.3.11
5099967929016 Siamese Dream Disc 2 Side 1 A+R Dallas SPGII S-27901 RE-2 12.9.3.11 13.25 16.21.19.19.25
5099967929115 SIAMESE DREAM DISC 2-SIDE 2-Re1 S-27902 RE-3 23.5 12.15.22.5 25.15.21i found those strings of numbers at the end a bit weird. they didn’t have the same length, they weren’t spaced identically, etc. and all the numbers were between 1 and 26, which made me think of an alphabet code. so i checked if the numbers could mean anything when translated to words (1=a, 2=b, etc.), and, well, they do. check for yourself what secret messages they have sent out via these matrix codes.
how weird.now i wonder who’s behind this.
US regular editions of the Gish and Siamese Dream reissues arrived today.
Interesting fact: they also come with that SPRC download code. I thought it was only the deluxe editions and the vinyl releases.
someone would have to develop it.
i don’t know how much work that is. but i guess it’s a lot of work.when they did release some of the songs on the Greatest Hits album, these were of course from the masters and not from the vinyl source.[/quote:2k315xf2]
i’ve always wondered about this: do we know this for certain? or is there a chance that the machina II tracks that were released on cd elsewhere are actually sourced from the vinyl set (and the virgin promo rip in specific)?ah, you must be the winner of last week’s ebay auction. i believe cr-02 went for the bargain price of $60 or something in that area. correct?
didn’t they switch the channels on siamese dream? (i’ve read that here and there. i didn’t actually sit down to check if they did.)
maybe that’s why you perceive it as a different mix?i think it’s older.
in the e-mail it said billy found this in the archives. surely he wouldn’t need to stumble upon it in the archives if he only recently recorded it?sure. here’s an mp3: http://www.mediafire.com/?mdjaco7p9phg6e6
it’s interesting how they edited a part out. more happened than just leaving out one interval. they did a bit of copying and pasting to make it work.to me, radio edit also means that it’s shorter.
but i can’t remember ever hearing a shorter version of bullet on the radio.
we’ll see.[/quote:18nqjd3z]
it’s a shorter version. 3:44. they cut out a bit in the middle of the song.i believe this is incorrect.
the songs on the virgin promo seem to have been transferred song per song, and not vinyl side per vinyl side. they’re separate tracks with a bit of silence in between. and sometimes the bit of talking stuff at the beginning of one song has been transferred with the previous song and can thus be found at the end of the previous track. or the other way around.
so it might seem as if a bit is missing, but it’s still there.someone who thought they discovered bits of intro or outro were missing, started this bit of misinformation, and years later it’s still alive.
to me, radio edit also means that it’s shorter.
but i can’t remember ever hearing a shorter version of bullet on the radio.
we’ll see.won this on ebay just now. it’s supposed to have a radio edit of bullet with butterfly wings. i’ve never seen such a thing before. i wonder what it’ll be like.
