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I just found a huge discovery for those early SP fraks out there.. just like me hahah.
It is now confirmed that the song \"Lock Me Up\" is real. It was played in the first ever SP show in 07/09/88.
http://www.splra.org/wiki/index.php?title=Tsp1988-07-09This show doesn’t have a complete setlist though.
Now, I always believed this song was true because RER cleary remembers the song and Frank Quinto found a video of the band rehearsing this song on the archives.
By the way, this setlist has been either updated today or yesterday because I went there a couple of days ago and there was no setlist available on this show.
Just like Sven said, there is a complete recording on this show.
More to come..
I do like the new stuff, it’s way better than Zeitgeist, even though Zeitgeist wasn’t bad at all.
Certainly, I appreciate the band releasing the songs for free, I think that is really awesome.The problem is that Billy sometimes doesn’t realize how stupid statements he can make. I think he just can’t stand the fact that he has lost tons of fans and he is nowhere near as popular as he was back then.
I hate the fact that he keeps stabbing in the back at James and now Jimmy. That is really immature thing to do and at the end of the day he will be losing more and more fans as long as he does this.
James is an awesome guy who doesn’t deserve this.Now, personally I think Billy shouldn’t continue to make music under TSP name because there is no point in doing so when there is only one original member left. I don’t know how James, Jimmy and D’arcy allow him to do so… he is only ruining their legacy.
I think their (1988-2000) legacy is almost sacred and it pisses me off that they keep ruining it.
As far as me as a fan, I will continue to collect stuff (no I will not buy anything on the Teargarden project), eventhough I’m looking forward for the new songs.
My interest for the early history is still there, and I will continue doing research and contacting people.
I am one step away from getting the Garbo tape, which I plan to get sometime in the following months and hopefully Frank Quinto will release some stuff from the archives.Yeah, this really sucks. I was very angry for the RS article last week and now this. It’s just not even worth to be a dedicated fan anymore.
I still have interest in the early history and their 1988-2000 music. I like the new stuff, but this is too much.
It wouldn’t surprise me if the new bass player is mike byrne’s old bandmate… haha
I was reading old netphoria forums earlier today and I found a very interesting bit of info.
Dave Asselin managed to get a copy of this Hope tape from 1986-87. He cleary says this.
\"I managed to get a copy of a tape with Hope in its original context. It was on a tape of Billy songs given to a friend in 1986, before he left for Florida with The Marked. It is definitely a pre-SP song.\"
If anyone is interested here is the link http://forums.netphoria.org/pumpkins-ar … ges-2.html
Now, I am almost positve that this tape was given to billy’s friend on early 1987. The reason I believe this is because \"Greta Garbo\" is definetely a post marked song which was written by billy when he returned from florida and started making demos in his dad’s house. Also this song contains two versions of The Vigil, one accoustic and the other electric so this song, so we can clearly see that this tape is post-florida.
As for The Marked, this band left from florida on december 1985 in which you can hear a song in a marked demo entitled \"Christmmas Time\". The band broke up after a show in october 1986 and then billy returned to chicago to live in his dad’s house.
In this tape we can see that contains 22 songs. The following songs are Marked songs.
Devotion, Mao Say Tongue, Ring Out the Shadow, Trance, Blind, Passion to Despise, Mastery and Conjecture, 8 Miles High. Now, all this 8 songs are confirmed to be marked songs and have been either played live or have been recorded IN THEIR TIME IN FLORIDA.We can also see that in this tape you can find another 2 songs that are included in the marked tape from march 85 to january 87. These 2 songs are called Earth Stood Still and Now that I feel. This two songs are confirmed to be post- florida songs. So we can conclude that this 2 songs have been recorded in the time period of October 1986-January 1987.
Now, 12 new songs are left and we can conclude that this songs are post-florida because they are not included in any Marked compilations. Interesting enough this tape includes two versions of The Vigil which this will later become a SP song which is included in NEC tape. Greta Garbo is a post florida song since Ron Roesing remembers it and even described it as a brillant song.
Also, this tape includes a song called Hey!, and in the SPFC website we can see that this song is described to be as a song that evolved into \"6234\" that was a SP song which was played in the Avalon on 08/10/88. Now, how in the hell this SPFC guys know that this song evolved into a SP song, I tend to believe that Dave Asselin told this guys since Dave owns a copy of this tape.
Now, the song Hope. This song was included in the SBA promo and it contains the exact same version as the one in this tape. Many people believe it’s a 1985 song but I tend to believe it is a late 1986- early 1987 song, since it wasn’t included in any Marked compilations.
Now as I said 12 songs were left as not been included in any Marked compilations. I tend to believe this are all songs billy wrote post florida and I calculate that billy might have taken between 3 to 6 months to create this songs. Now since billy returned from florida in october 1986 this tape must have been given to his friend in between the period of Jan to April of 1987, in other words early 1987.
Now, I am very intrigued by hearing this tape and I am sure many out there are too. Now, Dave is the only one who has a copy to this tape, so we need to contact him and see if he is willing to share it with us.
Has anyone here realized that the website spfc.org has added new tour dates from 1988 and 1989?
Very interesting indeed. From 1988 they have added one date which dates from 1988/10/29. They even provide a setlist from this show and two new songs are discovered which go by the name of \"Hey Hey\" and \"Right Out the Door\".
From 1989 one date has been added and possibly another second one also, but I am not sure about this one. The first one dates from 1989/02/18 and we can see that the band plays My Eternity and She which I thought they stopped playing at 1988.
The second one dates from 1989/03/17 even though I am not sure about this.It seems new things keep appearing, we just need to give time and things will surface, little by little…
No doubt about it.I wonder how the hell they made this addition of tour dates?. Possibly Frank Quinto found recordings from these live shows on the archives and decided to let this spfc guys know?.
Who knows, quite interesting though.
Ohh I see then.. It has nothing to do with Remove That Bible.
Also I was reading the other day about the song Bleed in the Mashed Potatoes version.
This version features one guitar, one bass and a drum machine.. We can conclude that Billy is playing
bass because of the precision of his bass playing.. it’s definetely not d’arcy. Here is the interesting thing,
the only show known with the James and Billy lineup is the 07/09/88 show at Chicago 21. So we may conclude that this is a version from an unknown live show or otherwise which I hardly doubt is that Billy might have recordings to this 07/09/88 show. Also billy said that they played around 10-12 shows before jimmy joined the band and there are only 3 shows that we know about before jimmy’s debut with SP on 10/05/88. Also I remember Jimmy saying that he saw the band a couple of times before the avalon show on 08/10/88, and we only know of ONE show before that.Also the I Fall sessions.. I just discovered that these sessions took place at the end of 1987 and it was a set of 12 songs, I fall being one of those 12. So we can conclude that Billy HAD this recordings at least until 1989 when he added I fall into the Gish/Moon tape. Apparently this tape has been lost according to Sven.
I mean, there’s A LOT that we don’t know from this era…. many unknown shows, lots of lost songs and demos….
Hopefully something will surface in the future… that’s all I can say.
Check it out, now that you guys bring this supposed band \"Remove That Bible\", I just read in a netphoria forum post that this RTB thing was all fake. Here is the link to the post.
http://forums.netphoria.org/pumpkins-ar … -eyes.html
I want to make clear that I am not saying this band is fake, and I certainly appreciate what you guys are doing to bring what you can from this supposed band. But here this guy is saying that this \"RTB\" band was fake.
I wonder if you guys already know about this? If so.. what else you know?
The last song is I can’t see you which appears in a tape I have. I don’t know whats the name of the other song though.
It was his high school band in 1982 way before Hexen. I think billy left the band because they started playing christian rock music.
Have you ever seen any Marked videos? other than scary neurotic song and the trance?
It might be.. but I know of this bands for years now. It’s nothing new. I think billy has been in 4 bands before TSP, those are Marked, Coat of Eyes, Hexen and Lex.
Actually I only care about the music… besides I have no money to buy these expensive stuff.
I have hope that it will surface over time.. I am just trying to help! I do think I have a clear picture of the years post-florida till 1988 in which the band \"evolved\" as far as songs and Ron and Len’s participation in the band. Speaking about early songs, whats the first ever SP song on tape? is it the 1987 \"I fall\"?Which band are you talking about?
Indeed this Garbo tape has created a lot of buzz plus I think only billy might have this tape.
Also I will contact Len Ayala which is a key person for this era (I do have his contact info).
So this Hope demo? is it a rumor? has it surfaced because at least they have a songlist.
Also I remember Frank Quinto (SP archivist) stating in the sp.com website that he found a video or tape of the band rehearsing this song \"Lock me Up\" and that was before the NEC! Also Ron Roesing remembers this song, verse ) \"The poor boy i am prohibits me from being free
Lock me up I coming home, cause i been away to long, been away to long you know its true…\" quote from Ron Roesing in a 2006 netphoria post.
I believe billy might still have all this tapes and I also believe there can be a lot of interesting stuff about this era in the SP archives.
Hope we get there Sven, I am doing my best!Yes i am interested in that marked tape, please upload it.
Now to the interesting stuff. That tape that has greta garbo is the one i am looking for. Do u know if dave asselin has copies of this? also is there an mp3 version of this tape?
I am also looking another tape that has greta garbo as well. RER told me this was a 10 song tape that included Greta Garbo, It Suits Me Well (The Vigil) and a song by Len Ayala called Happy Sometimes. I am also interested in any other of billys tapes from 1986-1988… it would also be cool if the 60 minute NEC tape surfaces!Impressive. I do have some of these tapes but I am more interested in the 1987-1988 demos. The one that has Greta Garbo, Lenny’s Happy sometimes, lock me up, it suits me well..etc. I have all of the marked tapes except the one you have which includes the earth stood still and now that i feel. Are all of those you have original copies including the nothing ever changes? if so who do you got it from?
I am very interested in that era. I am actually doing everything possible to find billy’s demos from 1987 and 1988. I have contacted ron roesing and len ayala so far. Do you know of someone who might have this tapes?
Really cool stuff. I saw u bought something from ron roesing. I am really interested in buying pre-gish material, especially billy’s work and demos from 1987 to 1989. Do you have something that relates to this?
