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oh, wow!
what transfer did they use for that cd? is it the same as the "virgin promo"?[/quote:3tvfquqz]nope.
I have no idea if I make sense here, but I think the grey pressing will exceed the number of 200-300 pressed by far. I’m more thinking of 1,000 – 1,500 (same as I Am One vinyl). My guts feeling says that the grey pressing for Tristessa is just as much on the market as the I Am One 7". I can not really proof that, so I might be completely wrong here. Shoot this to pieces, if you like.
But also, when I compare the Tristessa grey vinyl with another rarity like La Saga Racontee CD (approx. 125 pressed) then I see the grey pressing for Tristessa around 10-15 times more on the market. So both ways I reach a number of 1,000 – 1,500 pressed for Tristessa grey vinyl. No?[/quote:pv2xxowz]
i don’t agree with this way of thinking.i don’t think the grey tristessa has the same ebay presence as the i am one 7". (but then that’s just my feeling, of course.)
on top of that, the amount of copies on the market does not necessarily represent the amount of copies pressed. it’s not because you see the grey tristessa ten times more than that french promo cd, you can calculate 10 * 125 = 1250 and assume that’s a good estimate for the amount of grey tristessa vinyls pressed. i can see the logic behind that, but why would it work like that? that french cd is so rare. how many times have you seen it for sale? i think the error margin is way too big here. maybe for items that were made in larger quantities (thousands) this method of estimation might work better.[/quote:pv2xxowz]
agreed…
i’ve always assumed some hundreds of greys were made.
not much more, maybe tops 500.Just grabbed this extremely rare beauty from the market.
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[/quote:1vfw6die]it never did in fact HIT the (open) market…
and, as far as i know, never WILL!!!
I just grabbed my #6 item, it would/should have been on #5 since I know that the original Mashed Potatoes is an impossible-to-find collectors item:
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[/quote:11obawl5]you LUCKY LUCKY LUCKY bastard
)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))much much much deserved!!!!
4.500 pink and grey…
3.000 blackrunning out of pink they switched.[/quote:21qujz0w]
Is that "somewhat confirmed" info, that the initial pressing (first pressing) was all pink, and the second pressing is black? Running out of black is impossible, so it truly makes sense, to put it like this![/quote:21qujz0w]
total pressing was 7.500
that’s confirmed by SubPop.as far as i know it was all one press run done in one go.
meant to be pink then black.
somewhere as our article states, in the pink run they went for marble, more marble and total grey.
and then the black ones altogether.Yeah, great info. I thought Sliver.it did a good job already, but here is a pretty thorough site to add to that. Thanks Sven, for the link! Very inspiring…[/quote:2q8w08dz]
you’re welcome Arthur!
man, that pennyroyal tea single certainly carries a lot of baggage with it. but yeah, very cool site. it’s awesome seeing all those rare as fuck test pressings (for instance).[/quote:uq1edbv5]
INDEED!!!
based on the market…
4.500 pink
3.000 black
~500 grey…which makes total sense in a way…
initial press: 5.000, they ran out of pink, started the marble, switched to grey.
and a second press of all blacks.i think the original pressing invoice will say something like:
– pink: 4500
– black: 3000
without any mention of the grey copies.so i guess the actual pressing quantities are the same, minus the grey copies.
pink: 4500 – x
black: 3000 – y
grey: x + y
(x or y can be 0. x + y is estimated to be around 200-300.)2500 pink copies doesn’t make sense. the black vinyl copies are definitely rarer than the pink ones, no?[/quote:1bdobwim]
i’ve always assumed these numbers to be correct.
at least: pink > 4.500
then: with the grey ones… i guess there might be a lot more than 300 just as Arthur stated.the bill probably only features the pink and black ones.
we’ll never know for sure, but thanks for the insight as per the great article!
well, it sounds like when the band gomez was signed to hut records (1997), virgin/hut sent them a little gift basket to say, "hey thanks for signing with us, get to know your contemporaries!". aka, other bands on the hut label. since gomez is english, they were sent a UK copy of gish, from ’94 apparently, that featured a promotional sticker on it. makes sense for virgin to label the cd as such, as it would be a truly promotional item.[/quote:2s3ege1q]
AMEN!
totally correct!
that’s exactly what happened there…http://www.spfreaks.com/?page=COLLDETAILS&item=3402
this might have been earlier…
as this is sequenced totally different… as per a one album release…[/quote:1muaeqfe]
It says duplicated 8/4/95 on the j-card, but the 8 is very blur indeed. On the cassette itself it says 7/25/1995, so I presume that is the right date for the mixes/intended tracklisting. The Billy test pressing acetate cds are dated end of August 1995, so this cassette is VERY early already. No?[/quote:1muaeqfe]OK, clear, thanks.
thanks for your input, sven.
so you’re saying that the intention was to only make black and pink vinyls, but for some unknown reason, about 300 grey copies were pressed. and you do agree that this was an accident, but that this very likely has nothing to do with the story of not cleaning the plates between the two different colour pressings. right?i’ve recently seen a pink copy on ebay and it had quite a bit of black marbling going on. now that is what i think we could expect from not cleaning the plates.
unfortunately i forgot to bid on it and it went to someone else for a fairly cheap price. i’m still angry at myself for that, as i was prepared to pay a decent amount of money for that copy.
i’ve got the picture from the auction saved on my home pc. i’ll post it here when i’m at home and think of it. (probably next week.)[/quote:2tbjugy5]indeed, exaclty
please remember Machina and Machine II were meant to be a doubel concept album in their own right, again…
Virgin wouldn’t have it so we got M1 and then the fuck you M2.
Now: I’m pretty excited about the M-project if all pans out as per resequencing and all.
It’s not the mixes BC’s concerned about.
Just check the 200 tours.
He’s fond of the M2 tracks, too.
It’s all about the tracks and remastering….The mixes were OK-d by BC on M1 too.
http://www.spfreaks.com/?page=COLLDETAILS&item=3400
would love to know more about this tape…
hmmm, seems correct about the inclusion on PI possibly…
still.. the band has lost the master tapes…http://www.spfreaks.com/?page=COLLDETAILS&item=3402
this might have been earlier…
as this is sequenced totally different… as per a one album release…
There’s an interesting discussion about the grey vinyl on sp.com: http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/board_n … opic=15434
There are reasons to believe that the grey copies were pressed on purpose, as a separate colour, and not just a result of not cleaning the presses between the black and the pink run. Apparently, if you press two different colours without cleaning in between, you will end up with far less copies with mixed colours, and it is also unlikely, according to some, that the mixed copies will look grey if you go from black to pink (or vice versa).[/quote:1cvndplx]
As fas as I know and with me Dave Asselin and Matt, borh major collectors… And as per Matt as he had been in touch with the Sub Pop guys and at one point owned like 70+ Tristessa’s in all variants oer cokours… it WAs indeed NOT INTENDED, but ended up this way as per some copies being grey. Not per se as per the cleaning issue or something, but by accident… Not as intended per se thus!!!!
Matt told me there are around 300 grey-ish copies.
BC doesn’t have a grey copy, nor to the guys from Sub Pop.
The guys were even quite surprised when Matt contacted hem to point this out…Is this a bit much?
Also, was there only one pressing?[/quote:2o9kv28w]
On vinyl: 1.000 copies.
(Plus: very few test pressings)On cd: 1.000 copies.
Of which: the first 100 hand-numbered.
Of whixh: some (but not all) signed by Barry Waterman; the man behind Halo Recs..!I’m sure this is going to be something nice. But I’m hoping (& not really expecting) that with the remastered release of Mellon Collie, it comes with a few extra discs with the full versions of the Pastichio Medley clips. Me Rock You Snow!
By the way, Glynis was already released on a compilation album called "No Alternative". Of course it should be included on any future b-sides release, but it’s not going to make my heart jump. What will make my heart jump however, is releasing old-and-never-surfaced songs like Hippy Trippy (presuming it’s not a working title for a song we already know).
[/quote:2w53rvz5]Second that…
Plus: Hippy Trippy is a song.. as far as Joe S. told me it’s not a working title
))i totally agree with Bram.
i too know you’re working your asses off and it’s an amazing site and an awful lot of work.
so, in the end, this will be fixed…
just to make things even better…!!!
cheers!ADAT is full hard disk multichannel recording… they might have transferred some to CD(R), but i guess not to tape… it needs mixing too as it’s the clean SBD multichannel pre-fader mix.[/quote:3k0yv70f]
you’re probably right. but wikipedia says there is such a thing as ADAT tapes.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADAT
Alesis Digital Audio Tape or ADAT is a tape format used for simultaneously recording eight tracks of digital audio at once, onto Super VHS magnetic tape – a format similar to that used by consumer VCRs.[/quote:3k0yv70f][/quote:3k0yv70f]
yep, correct, but TSP used the HD-version…
(at least on the MCIS tour and onwards)Some more of Billy’s tweets regarding this:
Just found the first live performance of ‘Starla’, in stereo. Previously I had thought we had it only on one channel.[/quote:z1xn09ex]
Just found a version of ‘sweet home alabama’ on the Siamese Dream session tapes!!![/quote:z1xn09ex]
A did you know fact: at one point our album Pisces Iscariot was instead to be called ‘Neptulius’!![/quote:z1xn09ex][/quote:z1xn09ex]
NICE
))and now- release it BC
)))yeah, but don’t you think it’s possible that billy referred to these ADATs as "cassettes" too? they’re also cassettes.
or do you think they checked 700 cassette tapes, like the ones you and i used to play in the 80s (and way into the 90s)? on top of the massive amount of DATs, ADATs and whatnot? and if so, why only check the compact cassettes to check what’s in the vault, and not the DATs, ADATs and other formats?[/quote:28tnyv2i]i don’t think so.
ADAT is full hard disk multichannel recording… they might have transferred some to CD(R), but i guess not to tape… it needs mixing too as it’s the clean SBD multichannel pre-fader mix.
i guess he does have a massive amount of jams, rehearsels, shows, demos etc on cassette.
the DATs and especially the ADAT’s in the vault are a massive amount of data to go through. start with the decaying analogue first i guess.. ???
The Solstice Bare 4 track promo CD (with the friendly help of my friend Sven)
Never heard/seen this before, which is kinda weird. The somewhat rare 1 track promos for Teargarden EPII are known, but no 4 track promo, as far as I know. It’s being shipped as we speak, I’ll give an update when I receive it.[/quote:2nftuxze]
should be with you in a couple of days.
fully legit 4 track CDR promo in plastic sleeve with colour front insert and press release…
stay tuned for more info on this goody
and: you’re welcome Arthur!!!
