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i wish i had sven’s ears[/quote:2xmgv6oa]
They are not too bad, I heard.[/quote:2xmgv6oa]well, errr….
they had some ‘road damage’ due to way too many concerts…but, still:
the insane NAD pre/end amp coupled with the speakers and hooked up to the SL1200MK2 (never mind any higher spec; it’s the MK2 you need to go for!) set-up blows your brains out (and half of the neighbourhood…
i wish i had a technics record player.[/quote:19c0gmpr]
They are not too bad, I heard.[/quote:19c0gmpr]those are the best, trust me; when correctly callibrated and with the right cartridge/stylus; it’s amazing…
TEG on Machina on vinyl is insanely bass heavy.
a lot of record players can’t even handle the depth of the groove there… resulting in tracking problems (bouncing stylus even)…
if calibrated correctly, it sounds amazing!
the Cherub Rock 12\" is not too bass heavy, but you don’t get much in terms of b-side balance stuff to check with.
i’d use the SD LP…
check for the seperation in the stereo field, especially in Quiet, the drum sound in Cherub Rock and Geek, the attack in the guitar in Rocket, the cello/strings in Disarm and the clearness in Today and Hummer… it should be a massive difference compared to the cd.I bought this Dutch book with (translated) transcripts of radio interviews from 1996-2006. The last one in the book is with Billy in which he talks, among other things, about the death of his mother. I would post a link to a mp3, but I can’t seem to find it right now. Have it on my harddrive somewhere though.
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i think i know what interview you’re talking about. "naar eer en geweten" rings a bell.
if i’m correct, then i have it in two forms: the interview as it was broadcast, and the full, unedited interview.
is this the interview where billy has to pick cards with questions?[/quote:1nv0uwgf]yes it is the one with the card game/system
2013 TOUR DATES
May 18 â Rock on the Range â Columbus, OH â On-sale 2/1
June 20 â Live Music Hall â Cologne, Germany
June 21-23 â Southside Festival â Germany â Get tickets
June 21-23 â Hurricane Festival â Germany â Get tickets
June 24 â Zenith â Paris, France â Get tickets
June 25 â Zenith â Nantes, France â Get tickets
June 28 â Azkena Music Festival â Get tickets
July 1 â Academy â Manchester, UK â On-sale 2/1
July 2 â Academy â Glasgow, UK â On-sale 2/1
July 4 â Zenith â Lille, France â Get tickets
July 9 â Rockhal â Luxembourg â Get tickets
July 10 â Open Air Arena â Vienna, Austria â Get tickets
July 12 â Pohoda Festival, Slovakia â Get tickets
July 14 â Rock in Roma Festival, Italy â Get tickets
July 16 â Theatre Antique â Vienne, France â Get tickets
July 18 â Mares Vivas Festival, Portugal â Get tickets
July 20 â Gurten Festival â Switzerland â Get tickets
July 21 â Dour Music Festival â Belgium â Get tickets
July 22 â Wembley Arena â London, UK â On-sale 2/1
http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/tour/
I still think there’s room and an option for a Dutch show between Lille and Luxembourg or even before the Cologne-show. Fingers crossed for the Dutchies!
depending on what the Dutch show will be, I’m in for a trip to Cologne…
still considering the option of having a nice trip to Paris
Dour or Koln, both is a little over 2.5 hrs drive for me. Interesting…
[/quote:37v8fq79]trust me Arthur; you’d wanna go for Cologne…
the Dour Festival, well, a big no-no in terms of bad organisation/dirt et cetera…Belgian show announced: Dour Festival
http://www.dourfestival.be/en/artist/de … -Pumpkins/has anyone taken the time to listen to these? or analyse them in their sound labs?
can you hear differences between the mix of the original release and the 2011 mix?
what do you think about the "fix" they provided in the digital downloads? is it just the original version, with the volume levels increased, like i read on some forums?[/quote:16rsbsif]
i can’t do a full check in ‘the lab’.
trusting my ears though; the 2011 mix is the original version remastered.
the fix is the same one.
the one on PI is the different version (not just the mix/remastering).
Thanks guys!
And yes: Arthur’s reply is spot on; James didn’t mean it like Grungereport twisted it nor did I write it that way.
correct, but then again, we thought to be clever in ordering several for some fellow fans, went above and beyond the limit(s) and there you have it; extra costs…
The LP one was 169,00 euro standard pricing.[/quote:4t3mf64r]
that’s insane.
how can they justify a price like this?arthur, don’t forget that you’ll most likely end up paying import taxes when you buy this on amazon.com. (ok, it’ll still end up being cheaper than 169 euro. but keep it in mind.)[/quote:4t3mf64r]
yep, I had that numereous times with for example the MACHINA release on cd that came with the SBA promo. I ordered several in one order and ended up paying a lot in import taxes.
These are now out via Plato/Concerto and were extremely costly. The cd one I managed to get a review copy of. The LP one I paid, but got some deal on that; still it was way too expensive in a way, but I just had to bring it home already as I didn’t want to wait any longer. The LP one was 169,00 euro standard pricing.
printed in the EU is says on the sheets.
copyrights to Virgin USA.
no FBI – logo on these copies.slightly let down because of the vinyl tracklist (have to hear it though).
there is no Tonite Reprise or Infinite Sadness there, nor is the tracklist like the original vinyl.
it’s \"just\" the cd order on 4 LPs.there are two different books bearing the original cover artwork frontispice:
1. foreword/liner notes/interview, track by track by BC for the album, credits for the album tracks plus artwork sketches et al (the credits for the album in the guise of an erratum sticker applied to the credit page); this is the one included in the post of the cd version posted yesterday this is the one that came with my CD deluxe too.
2. foreword/liner notes/interview, track by track by BC for the album, track/recording info for the bonus cd’s (Morning Tea, High Tea, Special Tea), credits for the album tracks, for the dvd and for the bonus content (the credits for the album in the guise of an erratum sticker applied to the credit page). this is the one that came with my 4LP.Book 1. > should be with the 4LP but is with the CD deluxe.
Book 2. > should be with the CD deluxe but is with the 4LP.hope this is not true for the whole of the print run, because that would be a major error…
i first opened the CD deluxe and looked at the books and all, found it quite strange and told my fiancee so that the credits were wrong as I knew there were some James compositions and Isolation included…
so then I opend the 4LP and found the book with the credits to the bonus content there…
go figure?
but, I did ask around and get a message from someone at the record company over here in The Netherlands the wrong Plume was used on the Gish re-issue which they knew when that was released, thus, even before the release of PI re-issue.[/quote:2vny8ze7]
how would someone at the record company in the netherlands know that the wrong version of plume was put on the bonus disc? in what way are they part of the whole reissue process that they would be given that information?anyway, if this is true, then it’s possible that the gish bonus disc contains the "remaster", i guess.
but this doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a mix up: it’s also possible that the kerry brown 2011 mix never got released anywhere, and yet another version ended up on the pisces iscariot reissue. maybe even intentional. maybe they didn’t want to release the remaster twice, so they made a new version to go on the pisces iscariot reissue? dunno.[/quote:2vny8ze7]dunno; i just got the word that someone knew there had been an issue with Plume. that’s all.
agreed, no mix up but just a mistake along the lines.
in the process of remastering and remixing with hunderds of reels going back and forth i believe it to be possible things got messed up somewhere along the line.
however, it is indeed not known if it was in fact the 2011 mix that was supposed to be on PI and the other one on the Gish re-issue. it would make some sense, but this we just do not know as of now…[/quote:3elqwgke]
agreed.they clearly used the wrong masters for plume on the pisces reissue.
it could be that they mixed up the two versions, but it could also just be a mistake when they started working on the pisces reissue plume.i still think it’s not a mix up: normally they don’t use different vocal takes when remixing a track. so it’s unlikely that the version that is on the pisces reissue was supposed to go on the gish bonus disc under the name "2011 mix". if this version with the different vocal take was supposed to go on the bonus disc, they would have called it "alternate version" or "early version" or something along those lines, and not "2011 kerry brown mix".[/quote:3elqwgke]
yep, wrong masters used.
agreed, but i can imagine the set of masters reels for the 2011 mix was the one supposed to be remixed for inclusion on PI. that’s all.
well, i’ve compared the original version to the 2011 mix and to the 2012 reissue version, and i can’t figure it out.
the biggest difference to me is indeed the different vocal take on the 2012 reissue version.
if they mixed up the 2011 mix with the remastered version or not, this is absolutely not done. this one thing ruins the pisces iscariot remaster for me. i still feel disappointed about this. an explanation might help.and i’m sure i downloaded different versions of the pisces iscariot reissue download, but now i can’t find them anywhere. so i can’t check and confirm they replaced the reissue version of plume (present on all cds and vinyl records) from the download with a normal/fixed version.
maybe later, if i can find my files back.[/quote:5b4ov63d]it does kinda ruin PI for me too with this new version included in there. for no apparent reason whatsoever.
also, saying that the 2011 mix was intended to go on the pisces iscariot reissue, and that the new version from the pisces iscariot reissue was intended to go on the gish reissue bonus disc is pure speculation, right? this hasn’t been confirmed, or has it?[/quote:dhbgbi1p]
actually, i don’t believe that the 2011 mix was supposed to go on the pisces iscariot reissue.the 2011 mixes on the gish reissue had this idea behind them: let the producers from then mix the song again today. this is why butch vig and kerry brown remixed a couple of songs: they were in charge of them back when they were first recorded.
the idea behind the remastered albums: remastering the album. this does not include making new mixes of the songs. (with the exception of soothe. this song was mixed again, on purpose. bc mentioned this somewhere, i remember.)
i think they simply messed up the remastering of plume. and that’s it. the remastered version didn’t get mistaken for the 2011 mix.just my opinion. i don’t really see anything that backs up the mix up theory, so i’m not going with it. feel free to give some arguments that support the mix up theory.
i don’t have the music with me right now, so i can’t check myself, but is this mainly based on the fact that the 2011 mix sounds very similar to the original version, and then the "remaster" sounds nothing like the original? or do you have other reasons to believe the two were mixed up?didn’t they remaster pisces iscariot after gish and siamese dream were already reissued? if so, how could the two versions get mixed up? one was already released before the other one was created.
or was the pisces iscariot remaster already done while they were still working on the gish reissue bonus disc? i didn’t think so, but i can be wrong.[/quote:dhbgbi1p]maybe not a mix-up per se.
but…Gish was remastered from the original masters. so was Plume for the Gish re-issue.
now, the master reel for Plume 2011 mix is the one used for the single and for PI. this is just a slightly new mix.
the master reel used for PI is an alltogether different version.
they clearly did not use the same original master reel for PI.in the process of remastering and remixing with hunderds of reels going back and forth i believe it to be possible things got messed up somewhere along the line. it would make some sense to go out and let Plume be remixed and remastered when you’ve dug up the master reels and not wait until you’re starting work on the PI as an album as a whole.
however, it is indeed not known if it was in fact the 2011 mix that was supposed to be on PI and the other one on the Gish re-issue. it would make some sense, but this we just do not know as of now…
i believe they replaced plume on the pisces iscariot reissue download with a version that sounds more like the original.
not sure if they replaced it with the 2011 mix that was on the gish reissue bonus track, or with a slightly louder version of the original version. i might try and check that out, as i should have all releases somewhere.also, saying that the 2011 mix was intended to go on the pisces iscariot reissue, and that the new version from the pisces iscariot reissue was intended to go on the gish reissue bonus disc is pure speculation, right? this hasn’t been confirmed, or has it?[/quote:35xvcfzj]
confirmation > no not very hard
but, I did ask around and get a message from someone at the record company over here in The Netherlands the wrong Plume was used on the Gish re-issue which they knew when that was released, thus, even before the release of PI re-issue.PLUME
available on | versionI Am One (cds/10â/12â) | original version[/quote:1jwzrojm]
since we’re going for complete correctness: plume is not on the 10" release of i am one.[/quote:1jwzrojm]woops, of course! silly me.
There was no physical US pressing in 91.
The 91 Caroline LPs were made in Germany because it was the cheapest way to go.
In 91 it took HUT a couple of months (till August i think) to press the LP in the UK.Gish on vinyl:
91 Caroline Records US (manufactured in Germany)
91 HUT Records UK (manufactured in the UK)[/quote:337zjn52]
so you’re saying that every copy of the album in the US was a german CARLP16. (and never a HUTLP2.) right?this is how i heard the story went: the first copies of gish were pressed in germany. CARLP16. but then, for whatever reason – i think the pumpkins moving to/signing with HUT – this changed, and they stopped pressing the german one, and started pressing the UK Hut one. (related to this change, i thought: their repeated rescheduling of the promo tour in the UK, see also the changing dates on the i am one flexi.)
i always assumed that after this change, the US started seeing Hut copies.
it does make sense though that the promo copies were German Caroline ones: the Hut pressing didn’t exist at the time the promos were given out.an example of this move from germany to the uk: i have a copy of gish that has a Hut record, and a Hut outer sleeve, but still has a Caroline inner sleeve. The code CARLP16 in one of the corners of the inner sleeve is blacked out. unless someone has been messing with different copies, which seems highly unlikely to me, this shows that Hut used the leftover inner sleeves from the caroline pressing.
what do you think?[/quote:337zjn52]
possible yes that the initial US run was pressed in Germany. subsequent ones might have been UK pressings. even with Caroline sleeves that is yep.
