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  • #354

    jawn till dusk

    Never seen this before,and now i see two in one day.

    Me thinks its a fake.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/SMASHING-PUMPKINS-M … dZViewItem

  • #8584

    yeah, we’re fairly certain that these are fake.
    note that there’s also a black vinyl version of this fake mcis 3lp.

    http://forum.spfreaks.com/viewtopic.php?t=249
    http://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?t=155411

  • #8585

    tiny
    Spectator

    I have never seen any evidence to suggest it is a legitimate pressing, the people buying these must know somethig I do not as they are paying an awful lot for something that may only be a fake!
    :(

  • #8586

    I think the people who buy this know a lot less than you.

    The MCIS 3LP usually goes for a lot of money on eBay. The buyers of the fakes probably don’t realize they are fakes, and are paying similar prices as for the real copies.

  • #8587

    Arthur
    Spectator

    Never seen this before,and now i see two in one day.

    Me thinks its a fake.[/quote:9jskchhg]
    Me too jawn till dusk, though I’m no vinyl expert. But I asked a few dealers, and it is not in their official systems to be ordered. People that pay tons of money for this are crazy, it’s a bootie! A good one though, they spend quite some attention to it. Check Cool As Ice Creams links and you’ll find out.

  • #8588

    If you see how much money these go for, the whole argument of \"why would they put so much effort in a fake\" loses its strength. Right?

  • #8589

    manillascissor
    Keymaster

    Right.

    One question:

    How do you determine the original unnumbered pressing from the new fake unnumbered pressing? LOL. Impossible?

  • #8590

    Arthur
    Spectator

    Right.

    One question:

    How do you determine the original unnumbered pressing from the new fake unnumbered pressing? LOL. Impossible?[/quote:3bqbyvnk]
    I guess not? Is there an original unnumbered pressing anyway? I mean there is this empty white box version, but that is a clear difference then, right? Also the matrixnumbers are different, I think Cool As Ice Cream described those things here on the forum already.

  • #8591

    How do you determine the original unnumbered pressing from the new fake unnumbered pressing? LOL. Impossible?[/quote:mh3muklx]
    the real copies have that white box in the lower right corner, with or without number
    the fake copies don’t have a white box

    that’s the easiest way.

    if you can’t see if there’s a white box or not in the pictures on ebay, don’t trust it. there are more fakes for sale right now than real ones.

  • #8592

    Arthur
    Spectator

    if you can’t see if there’s a white box or not in the pictures on ebay, don’t trust it. there are more fakes for sale right now than real ones.[/quote:mt6rpzw5]
    I got that guts feeling also. Some people are getting quite rich at these moments, releasing that fake Mellon Collie vinyl. Disgusting, if you ask me. I feel sorry for the fans buying that boot and thinking they are getting the real stuff. Which they don’t.

  • #8593

    manillascissor
    Keymaster

    Arthur, why don’t you make a front page expose about this. For casual fans that visit the site, but might not visit the forum. Then we’d be promoting good business w/i the Smashing Pumpkins community, and also screwing over the people who are making/selling these fakes.

  • #8594

    Arthur
    Spectator

    Arthur, why don’t you make a front page expose about this. For casual fans that visit the site, but might not visit the forum. Then we’d be promoting good business w/i the Smashing Pumpkins community, and also screwing over the people who are making/selling these fakes.[/quote:2ygzfquf]
    Excellent idea. Working on that as we speak, give me a few minutes. First we need an entry on SPfreaks in the Vinyl booties section, then I’ll create a frontpage news item. Again, excellent idea, manillascissor. Fuck those screwers!

  • #8595

    I collected images from eBay of the yellow MCIS 3LP. I’ll mail them to you, Arthur.

  • #8596

    Arthur
    Spectator

    I collected images from eBay of the yellow MCIS 3LP. I’ll mail them to you, Arthur.[/quote:11i8s28w]
    Found them, they are used in the news article (see frontpage SPfreaks) and in the upload of the item.

    http://www.spfreaks.com/?page=COLLDETAILS&item=2117

    Thanks Cool As Ice Cream! 8)

  • #8597

    maybe you should add pictures of the two official releases, numbered and unnumbered, to make it clear how they look like.

    i don’t think most casual fans will immediately know what you mean with \"unboxed\". so without a clearer explanation or pictures that show where the difference is betweent the fakes and the official releases, this news item kinda misses its point (warning the casual fans who might be interested in a mellon collie vinyl).

  • #8598

    I made a picture:

  • #8599

    Arthur
    Spectator

    Cool pic, but the news item is already taking a lot of space… The pic is here also for the readers, and the story is very clear now, well, at least that is what I think. I made quite some changes. What do you guys think now?

  • #8600

    yeah, i think it’s clear now.

  • #8601

    manillascissor
    Keymaster

    that looks great! nice work you two. :D

    another idea may be to alert sp.com, they could make some sort of post about it as well. i’d leave that to you arthur, as you’ve been contacting someone over there recently. maybe they’ll just link over to our site. that would kick butt.

  • #8602

    Arthur
    Spectator

    that looks great! nice work you two. :D

    another idea may be to alert sp.com, they could make some sort of post about it as well. i’d leave that to you arthur, as you’ve been contacting someone over there recently. maybe they’ll just link over to our site. that would kick butt.[/quote:10cdhj08]
    Your wish is my command manillascissor. I uploaded it on their User News section already this afternoon, but it takes a few hours, up to a day sometimes, before it shows. If it shows…

  • #8603

    Dammit, should have thought of this sooner.
    Put a little extra at the end of the MCIS BL warning stating (something along the lines of) \"If you have any queries or uncertainties about other items that you suspect are bootlegs, please contact us blah blah blah\"
    Seeing as you guys are the resident experts on SP items, you would be the most able to clear things up, methinks.
    But then again… most information is available in the collection, so they could (should) go there first before contacting…
    I don’t know. Do what you want with this idea.

  • #8604

    manillascissor
    Keymaster

    Dammit, should have thought of this sooner.
    Put a little extra at the end of the MCIS BL warning stating (something along the lines of) "If you have any queries or uncertainties about other items that you suspect are bootlegs, please contact us blah blah blah"
    Seeing as you guys are the resident experts on SP items, you would be the most able to clear things up, methinks.
    But then again… most information is available in the collection, so they could (should) go there first before contacting…
    I don’t know. Do what you want with this idea.[/quote:3nz7hmjn]

    Excellent idea Super. Ultimately up to Mr. Arthur though. *cough, hint, cough*

  • #8605

    Arthur
    Spectator

    Yup, good idea Superlordspamulon. I’ll change the text a little later today.

    Meanwhile the news is on sp.com, and it created a big buzz in a few hours already. People report this bootie even in South America! And the News section on SPfreaks is getting tons of hits, unbelievable!

    http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/membernews_3351

    By the way, I’m very curious about the official point of view of the Smashing Pumpkins or their staff…

  • #8606

    well done, arthur.

  • #8607

    Fez
    Spectator

    Cool as ice cream, you have all versions including fake one ? I am confused about the photo :P

  • #8608

    Arthur
    Spectator

    Cool as ice cream, you have all versions including fake one ? I am confused about the photo :P[/quote:1a2x31n6]
    He hates to admit that, so I say on behalf on him: P H O T O S H O P . :wink:

  • #8609

    Arthur
    Spectator

    well done, arthur.[/quote:16s20bjp]
    This is what SPfreaks is about, right… And you and manillascissor and Superlordspamulon helped a lot with ideas and pics and etc. so hats off to you also guys. 8)

  • #8610

    I just realized – i would kill to get an authentic MCIS vinyl. Just for the artwork really… it’s so beautiful… and LARGER than the CD version.

  • #8611

    manillascissor
    Keymaster

    well done, arthur.[/quote:twwf9yt6]
    This is what SPfreaks is about, right… And you and manillascissor and Superlordspamulon helped a lot with ideas and pics and etc. so hats off to you also guys. 8)[/quote:twwf9yt6]

    Fuck yeah.

  • #8612

    manillascissor
    Keymaster

    I just realized – i would kill to get an authentic MCIS vinyl. Just for the artwork really… it’s so beautiful… and LARGER than the CD version.[/quote:35xz1smh]

    Fuck yeah.

  • #8613

    darcysiva
    Spectator

    I think out of all their albums MCIS has the best artwork. I love it.. its not only my FAVORITE album but its just beautiful to look at.

  • #8614

    I just realized – i would kill to get an authentic MCIS vinyl. Just for the artwork really… it’s so beautiful… and LARGER than the CD version.[/quote:3jcx0z9q]
    start saving up.

    even the fakes go for more than $100 these days.

  • #8615

    Fez
    Spectator

    I think out of all their albums MCIS has the best artwork. I love it.. its not only my FAVORITE album but its just beautiful to look at.[/quote:ek5ukkc0]

    Check it out ;)

  • #8616

    darcysiva
    Spectator

    That’s sweet Fez. I’m jealous. I have a huge poster like that but with the Adore cover art. I do have the smaller MCIS poster though too :)

  • #8617

    Fez
    Spectator

    I have that one too :P

  • #8618

    Arthur
    Spectator

  • #8619

    [/quote:2jwecc3v]

    Meh. We’ve discussed MCIS booties. We got the message out. Off topic is the only way forward! :lol:

  • #8620

    darcysiva
    Spectator

    I have that one too :P

    [/quote:27d03owe]
    Yep same one!

  • #8621

    Arthur
    Spectator

    Fez, can we have 2 decent pics of those 2 promo posters? I’m almost ashamed to tell you, they are not on SPfreaks yet! :lol:

  • #8622

    Fez
    Spectator

    No problem, I`ll send it as soon as I borrow a camera from someone :P

  • #8623

    Arthur
    Spectator

    An incoming email of today…

    \"Subject: MCIS bootleg!! aaaah

    Thanks for the info on the bootleg vesrsion of Infinite Sadness. I just picked up a copy here in Rotterdam, Netherlands thinking I picked up an original. But turns out I got the all yellow vinyl version without the number on the front sleeve for 50 euro. It was too good to be true. I’m gonna go back and tell the guy at the record shop about this indecency.

    kind regards

    Chris Parkes\"

  • #8624

    An incoming email of today…

    "Subject: MCIS bootleg!! aaaah

    Thanks for the info on the bootleg vesrsion of Infinite Sadness. I just picked up a copy here in Rotterdam, Netherlands thinking I picked up an original. But turns out I got the all yellow vinyl version without the number on the front sleeve for 50 euro. It was too good to be true. I’m gonna go back and tell the guy at the record shop about this indecency.

    kind regards

    Chris Parkes"[/quote:s33rjd3t]

    SPFreaks: 1. Bootleggers: 0.
    Sort of.

  • #8625

    I wouldn’t mind buying that yellow vinyl for 50 euro. That would be the most I would be prepared to pay for it though. I normally don’t pay for bootlegs, but it would be interesting to have this one too, so I could have a closer look at it.

    If so many record store are carrying this yellow MCIS 3LP (for more reasonable prices than what they go for on eBay), are there any record stores selling it online? If you know a place, a link would be nice.

  • #8626

    Sparky
    Spectator

    Yeah, I’m that Parkes guy that picked up this vinyl today and sent that email. Any questions for the man with the bootleg version? I gotta say, if it’s a bootleg, they did a damn good job, I’m very impressed! kudoos, this thing is going to take if we don’t put a stop to this. I assume you accept any members to this crusade.

  • #8627

    Arthur
    Spectator

    Hey Sparky, welcome man. And thanks for your email! You explained the feelings of the average innocent collector pretty well, so I thought it is worthwhile publishing your message here also, including the follow-up action you have in mind. Hope you don’t mind!

    I think it would be a good idea to ask about the background of the boot. Where did it come from, where was it pressed, how and where did they order it and from which company did they buy it? How many copies are around, in what quantities could it be ordered? You can tell the seller it is not on the official ordering systems, so how the heck did they get it anyway? Would be very interesting to know. But you can expect some dodgy behaviour I guess…

    I would feel pretty shit also knowing this MCIS vinyl was a boot, expecting it to be the real thing. Good luck Sparky!

    (which reminds me of a boot cd I once bought in 2000/2001, the \"Towers Records promo\". Boy, did I feel being ripped off when it turned out to be a home-made CD-R… :roll: )

  • #8628

    Sickboy
    Spectator

    Yeah, I’m that Parkes guy that picked up this vinyl today and sent that email. Any questions for the man with the bootleg version? I gotta say, if it’s a bootleg, they did a damn good job, I’m very impressed! kudoos, this thing is going to take if we don’t put a stop to this. I assume you accept any members to this crusade.[/quote:2adg7jm0]
    Yep, I can confirm that. If this (the black vinyl version w/o the white box) is fake it’s possibly the best fake/counterfeit i’ve ever encountered. But I have to admit that I have nothing to compare to.
    If they havent’t allready been posted, the matrix codes are:
    7243 8 41655 – A –
    ….
    7243 8 41655 – F –

    edit: the seller stated in his auction that it sat in his shelf for a couple of years. and he wasn’t a professional seller….

  • #8629

    edit: the seller stated in his auction that it sat in his shelf for a couple of years. and he wasn’t a professional seller….[/quote:643k0m4y]
    then he’s probably a liar.

  • #8630

    Sickboy
    Spectator

    edit: the seller stated in his auction that it sat in his shelf for a couple of years. and he wasn’t a professional seller….[/quote:3tbx0zub]
    then he’s probably a liar.[/quote:3tbx0zub]
    that might be true of course…

  • #8631

    Arthur
    Spectator

    I’m afraid it is true. These MCIS vinyls only appear since late 2007, and look brand new, just pressed a little while before. You can see that on the sleeves and on the booklet also. No official shop has it, or can order it for you, as it’s not official. It only appears on the internet, on record fairs and inside doubtful shops where you normally find many more bootlegs of other bands also. So whatever information they give you, be very careful.

    But it is indeed a welldone pressing. I can understand that some collectors, that have the genuine numbered MCIS vinyl release already in their collection, wants to have it just for fun, for a cheap price. Other collectors are being fooled, and that’s exactly what these bootleggers want: to rip you honest guys off. I feel sick when I think of this. :evil:

  • #8632

    Sparky
    Spectator

    Well, I went back to the record shop and talked to the guy that sold me this album. He seemed surprised when I told him it was a bootleg, and honestly wasn’t attempting to rip me off. He didn’t accept returns, but I understand. He actually believed that the Pumpkins came out with a new pressing, which I could understand as well.

    I started probing where abouts he got this, which he was reluctant to give me too many details. He said he got this Pumpkins album from his normal supplier in Europe, (quite possibly in the Netherlands or Belgium). This unfortunatly doesn’t tell us much, since the supplier could certaintly have gotten it from another source. He said he got it recently as well. I go to this shop quite often just to browse, so maybe I can dig a little more another day.

    so I’m still debating to keep this or not, would anyone here be interested in buying it?

  • #8633

    Arthur
    Spectator

    I wouldn’t mind buying that yellow vinyl for 50 euro. That would be the most I would be prepared to pay for it though. I normally don’t pay for bootlegs, but it would be interesting to have this one too, so I could have a closer look at it.

    If so many record store are carrying this yellow MCIS 3LP (for more reasonable prices than what they go for on eBay), are there any record stores selling it online? If you know a place, a link would be nice.[/quote:1ae0oxrr]
    I think you have a chance here. Still it’s funny that you couldn’t get a full refund. He’s probably working in an independant store, right?

  • #8634

    so I’m still debating to keep this or not, would anyone here be interested in buying it?[/quote:jdqfj723]
    it’s the yellow vinyl, right? for 50 euro? how much would it cost to send it to belgium?

  • #8635

    Sparky
    Spectator

    so I’m still debating to keep this or not, would anyone here be interested in buying it?[/quote:3c5fzigq]
    it’s the yellow vinyl, right? for 50 euro? how much would it cost to send it to belgium?[/quote:3c5fzigq]

    Yes, it’s the yellow vinyl. Quite beautiful actually. I don’t know how much shipping is here in Europe. I would just be shipping from Rotterdam, so I bet it would be quite cheap. I’ve never shipped vinyl before, I don’t want it to get banged up before you see it – especially the corners. my email is pcherokee@gmail.com

    As for the store, it was an independent. He normally doesn’t accept returns unless something was wrong with the record before purchase. If he knew it was a boot or not, what difference does it make. At least he wasn’t charging too much for a well made 3LP – I’d give him that credit at least.

  • #8636

    manillascissor
    Keymaster

    Yes, it’s the yellow vinyl. Quite beautiful actually. I don’t know how much shipping is here in Europe. I would just be shipping from Rotterdam, so I bet it would be quite cheap. I’ve never shipped vinyl before, I don’t want it to get banged up before you see it – especially the corners. my email is pcherokee@gmail.com

    As for the store, it was an independent. He normally doesn’t accept returns unless something was wrong with the record before purchase. If he knew it was a boot or not, what difference does it make. At least he wasn’t charging too much for a well made 3LP – I’d give him that credit at least.[/quote:1tipq8kt]

    Sparky
    Just to make you aware, you can use the private message function on this board to give out sensitive information, such as your personal email address. Just putting it out there, you may not care.

  • #8637

    i gave the fake black vinyl a listen yesterday and i must say, on some songs the quality is clearly lower than on the real vinyl. stumbleine sounds really bad, for example.

    i heard someone say the fake vinyls are cd sourced, but i wonder what that statement was based on. i guess it was just a random thought, not based on anything. i personally think they used one of the original vinyls as source for the bootleg.

    a second bootleg is on the way. once it has arrived, i can compare both. if both have vinyl pops on the exact same locations, my thought (about the bootleg being vinyl sourced) will be confirmed.

  • #8638

    manillascissor
    Keymaster

    i gave the fake black vinyl a listen yesterday and i must say, on some songs the quality is clearly lower than on the real vinyl. stumbleine sounds really bad, for example.

    i heard someone say the fake vinyls are cd sourced, but i wonder what that statement was based on. i guess it was just a random thought, not based on anything. i personally think they used one of the original vinyls as source for the bootleg.

    a second bootleg is on the way. once it has arrived, i can compare both. if both have vinyl pops on the exact same locations, my thought (about the bootleg being vinyl sourced) will be confirmed.[/quote:3h1trs12]

    you da man!

  • #8639

    *pops back into existence*

    Glad i saw this thread, i was about to pay £50 for a red one, thought something was fishy so i checked here.

    Edit: Red one

    [url:3hsqb8vs]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SMASHING-PUMPKINS-Mellon-Collie-Red-Vinyl-3LP-Rare_W0QQitemZ230239083424QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item230239083424[/url:3hsqb8vs]

  • #8640

    omg, cool! a red one. never seen that before.

    i can already tell that it’s the same bootleg though. the labels look the same (i.e. wrong; too yellow) and the booklet is very white.

  • #8641

    Arthur
    Spectator

    if i get one of these, i can make the belgian flag with mcis vinyl bootlegs… :?[/quote:1if90b8p]
    You just gave us a clue where they are pressed. :wink:

    I asked the seller what he knows about the background of this MCIS red vinyl. This is his answer.

    "hi this is the second repress of the original LP the first was yellow vinyl this is red around 200 copies printed.the original with number sells for mega bucks."

    So I asked him (again) if this is a bootleg or not, whether and where it was pressed by Virgin/HUT, etc. Keep you posted.

  • #8642

    do you think the seller:
    – is making this up
    – heard this from the person he got it from and believes those numbers to be true
    – or is very close to the source of these vinyls and definitely knows the truth (not necessarily speaking the truth though)?

    btw, he mentions the yellow vinyl as the first repress and calls the red vinyl the second repress, but what about the black vinyl bootlegs?

  • #8643

    Arthur
    Spectator

    My guts feeling says: he knows nothing, probably telling what he heard from others (most likely his supplier). When I judge his appearance on eBay:

    -member since June 6th, 2003 in United Kingdom
    -feedback since 2003: 16 with 1 very recent negative (actually today: \"Very disappointed, Disc advertised as mint, but it is scuffed and scratched!\"), total score 94.4% positive
    -changed his nick less than a month ago

    Then all in all I’m not impressed. To say the least. Curious about his next answer though.

  • #8644

    Arthur
    Spectator

    Oh, and I suggest you check out his shop and some recent auctions in his feedback. Quite a few blue, yellow, green, red and clear vinyls of famous bands and albums. Makes you think, right?

  • #8645

    Arthur
    Spectator

    His answer just came in.

    \"i dont no which country it was pressed in,it is not an official release,but it is a superb addition and they gain value.\"

    Gain value? Yeah right. At least we know the truth now. I reported this seller to eBay.

  • #8646

    haha, cruel.

  • #8647

    Arthur
    Spectator

    haha, cruel.[/quote:31b1zoo5]
    8)

    I created seperate entries for the yellow and red bootleg vinyls.

    http://www.spfreaks.com/?page=COLLDETAILS&item=2321
    http://www.spfreaks.com/?page=COLLDETAILS&item=2322

    Also the news on SPfreaks.com homepage has been adjusted.

  • #8648

    I created seperate entries for the yellow and red bootleg vinyls.[/quote:1kcmzu2s]
    excellent. i like that. it was on my todo list. well, not anymore.

  • #8649

    Arthur
    Spectator

    Amongst several bootlegs (all reported, nya nya nya) there’s 1 genuine numbered MCIS on eBay.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Smashing-Pumpkins-M … 0219647455

  • #8650

    blueczarina
    Spectator

    Arthur wrote:

    Amongst several bootlegs (all reported, nya nya nya) there’s 1 genuine numbered MCIS on eBay.
    [/quote:2nfnkcqi]

    Yeah, its seems like most of the MCIS vinyls on ebay are the fake ones anymore. I just can’t believe I see people paying $100-$200 for them. I would think they would seek out a bit more info on an expensive item like that before purchasing. I always try to make sure I know about what I’m potentially buying.

    Does anyone have any idea on how many different people are actually selling the bootlegs on ebay? If its a small group, reporting them might make a difference. It says in ebay’s policy section that selling bootleg can get you permanently kicked off of the site. If enough people were turned in enough times, maybe it would help curb the problem on ebay at least. Just a thought. :)

  • #8651

    the fake vinyls are everywhere. more and more people are selling them on ebay. which makes sense: they make a lot more on ebay than what is usually asked for them in record stores.

  • #8652

    Arthur
    Spectator

    We suddenly get like 150+ different visitors from this place in just a few hours. It helps to publish about this fake vinyl I guess.

    Let’s keep this work up! 8)

    http://vinylcollective.proboards79.com/ … read=10827

  • #8653

    Excellent. That is awesome. I’m glad we are helping vinyl collectors from everywhere. I wasted some money on an inferior product, but this makes it all worth it.

  • #8654

    manillascissor
    Keymaster

    i love how once our links are posted, there are no more questions, just praise.

    awesome.

  • #8655

    i found a way to record lps onto my pc. i’ll post some samples of the mcis 3lp bootleg soon, together with the same parts on the official release, so you have something to compare with.

  • #8656

    http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=5b9b … bbfbb38b9a

    i think i’ll make a thread about it on netphoria, because i think more people read it.

  • #8657

    Arthur
    Spectator

    i think i’ll make a thread about it on netphoria, because i think more people read it.[/quote:3f9jj6v2]
    Of course! Please do!

  • #8658

    still haven’t found the time to do so. maybe tomorrow.

    you guys can already start comparing the samples if you want to.

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  • #8660

    billy_wretzky
    Spectator

    hi there,
    this is my first post here!!!
    anyways,
    i bought the fake one from a store in athens…i read about the matrix number (and saw the relevant topic on the authentic MCATIS) and decided to compare the two editions. i really couldn’t find any difference on the numbers, codes or whatever else… surrely the printing is horrible, the box can’t close and is not as glossy as the authentic one, and the booklet looks like a photocopy (paper is whiter than the original). bought it for 37 euros because i thought it was an official reprint but when i saw the discs i understoood that this couldn’t be an official not limited reprint.
    ps
    i think the same thing happens with TAFH boxset! a friend of mine was searching ebay to buy it and found some auctions that probably were not authentic.

  • #8661

    Arthur
    Spectator

    Hi billy_wretzky! (I’m not sure if this combi was ever intended in real life… :wink: )

    Did you read the article on the homepage of http://www.spfreaks.com ? It explains about the differences between the bootleg and the official release quite well, also it provides helpful links.

    And what about that TAFH box? Also bootlegged? Please tell more! It might be a next scoop!

  • #8662

    i don’t believe it.

  • #8663

    blueczarina
    Spectator

    What now TAFH is being bootlegged. :(

  • #8664

    What now TAFH is being bootlegged. :([/quote:1i6kl2al]
    hold your horses. it’s not impossible, but i doubt it. i’d like to see the pictures of those suspicious ebay auctions first. or at least a description of these boxes and the reasons why one would think that they’re bootlegs.

    don’t forget, the only thing we got here is a friend of someone that saw some auctions on ebay and thought they were not legit. that’s not much. and until we find out more about it, i think it’s way too early to conclude that the tafh box set is being bootlegged.

    maybe this friend saw a box set where one of the singles was replaced by one of the commercial singles? not the real box set: agreed. a bootleg: no.

  • #8665

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Smashing-Pumpkins-M … dZViewItem

    is this one real?

  • #8666

    Arthur
    Spectator

    With just 1 look at the pic you must be able to judge that bullet, we published tons of guidelines already about that. :P

    The summary is still in the News section on the homepage of http://www.spfreaks.com

    And I second Cool As Ice Cream’s comment on the supposed TAFH bootleg boxset. Prove it.

  • #8667

    i know i know, but i tend to get confused on them. there are so many of the diffrent colors of bootleggs, (colors as in the color of the actual record), and so many people selling them.

    to clear it up for me and maybe anyone else out there who might still be confused,

    white box with numbers yes really real, no white box with numbers totally fake rip off. right?

    and if there is a white box, just no numbers it is real, but second pressing right?

  • #8668

    blueczarina
    Spectator

    I think I can pick out the fake vinyl now based on the article here. I have’nt ever heard of a fake TAFH. I would like to see proof though of these alledged fakes.

  • #8669

    billy_wretzky
    Spectator

    hey arthur,
    as far as the mcatis is concerned i read the article (but not very carefully to be honest), as far as the indexing and numbering is concerned i couldn’t tell any real difference besides all the things i fore mentioned (i will read once again the article though).

    i have this nick for quite some years now… i thought who are my \"heroes\", billy and d’arcy. billy is weird in a good way and d’arcy has this \"icy\" thing that i like. sooo..billy_wretzky is thy name.lol

    as far as the TAFH is concerned i had made this conversation with that friend of mine, who has spend many hours in front of ebay and i remember that she was troubled whether the boxsets she had found were the authentic or reprints (i doubt these are boots since it is way to difficult to reproduce such a box). anyway, i wiil ask her again and tell her to take some pics of the box she bought (because she bought one) and check it out! (but this will take a long time).

    what i am saying here SHOULD not be taken for granted. if we want to clear this out we can do it collectively and after gathering any info we could reach to a coclusion. right?

    as soon as i have any more info i will update. :D

  • #8670

    manillascissor
    Keymaster

    i know i know, but i tend to get confused on them. there are so many of the diffrent colors of bootleggs, (colors as in the color of the actual record), and so many people selling them.

    to clear it up for me and maybe anyone else out there who might still be confused,

    white box with numbers yes really real, no white box with numbers totally fake rip off. right?

    and if there is a white box, just no numbers it is real, but second pressing right?[/quote:360k8aa4]

    You got it.

  • #8671

    manillascissor
    Keymaster

    On the fake TAFH boxsets, I’ve never seen one. There is extensive information about some different pressing on spfreaks.com though.

    The only slightly relatable occurence I can think of is people will take the singles out of the boxset and sell them individually. Happens a lot.

  • #8672

    i know i know, but i tend to get confused on them. there are so many of the diffrent colors of bootleggs, (colors as in the color of the actual record), and so many people selling them.

    to clear it up for me and maybe anyone else out there who might still be confused,

    white box with numbers yes really real, no white box with numbers totally fake rip off. right?

    and if there is a white box, just no numbers it is real, but second pressing right?[/quote:20s1yey2]

    You got it.[/quote:20s1yey2]

    thank you for helping me to completly understand, you are very helpfull.

  • #8673

  • #8674

    what i am saying here SHOULD not be taken for granted. if we want to clear this out we can do it collectively and after gathering any info we could reach to a coclusion. right?

    as soon as i have any more info i will update. :D[/quote:37tk0zv3]
    yes, that would be great.

  • #8675

    thank you for the visuals cool as ice cream, that too is very helpfull to us dummies who need pictures.

    thanks! :)

  • #8676

    manillascissor
    Keymaster

    http://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?t=159282%5B/quote:26evtkg1%5D

    Interesting read. Thanks for going through all the trouble. 8)

  • #8677

    billy_wretzky
    Spectator

    soooo,
    to clear things out, i talked with that friend of mine and she told me that when she was searching ebay she came upon some auctions that sold the second press of TAFH. so NO bootleg this one!

  • #8678

    blueczarina
    Spectator

    soooo,
    to clear things out, i talked with that friend of mine and she told me that when she was searching ebay she came upon some auctions that sold the second press of TAFH. so NO bootleg this one![/quote:3lz9eg0u]

    oh good :lol:
    (its ok, we all make mistakes :wink: )

  • #8679

    Arthur
    Spectator

    OK, old news, but still funny. Even on the eBay forums they have talked about us a while back.

    http://forums.ebay.com/db1/thread.jspa? … 9788888239

  • #8680

    awesome.

  • #8681

    blueczarina
    Spectator

    neat

  • #8682

    Arthur
    Spectator

    Yeah. I was checking why the hit counter went up so suddenly the last few hours, and it showed some hits from that place too. Funny. Most hits come from sp.com’s Watchmen though. Even more funny! :lol:

  • #8683

    Danni
    Spectator

    Right.

    One question:

    How do you determine the original unnumbered pressing from the new fake unnumbered pressing? LOL. Impossible?[/quote:24d23wll]

    I’ve heard only the numbered are "real"? However, there are 15000 copies numbered.

  • #8684

    I’ve heard only the numbered are "real"? However, there are 15000 copies numbered.[/quote:22fe42cg]
    That’s incorrect. They did a second pressing that was unnumbered. And there are definitely more than 15,000 copies of the numbered pressing.

  • #8685

    some pumpkins
    Spectator

    I’ve heard only the numbered are "real"? However, there are 15000 copies numbered.[/quote:d6licakq]
    That’s incorrect. They did a second pressing that was unnumbered. And there are definitely more than 15,000 copies of the numbered pressing.[/quote:d6licakq]

    didnt it go up to 20,000 numbered? i at least remember reading somewhere 18,000

  • #8686

    I own number 16,771.
    And I’ve seen number 23,028 on eBay. I know that’s a bit weird, because numbers up to 18,000 you see quite often, but besides this one copy on eBay, I’ve never seen any copy with a number higher than 20,000, let alone higher than 23,000.

  • #8687

    jawn till dusk
    Spectator

    The highest i’ve seen was around the 18,300 mark,on ebay.So much for 5,000,eh?

    I own no.957.

  • #8688

    manillascissor
    Keymaster

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Smashing-Pumpkins-M … 27b1fa0519

    Now there’s a clear one? WTF?

  • #8689

    some pumpkins
    Spectator
  • #8690

    manillascissor
    Keymaster

    :lol: nice summary. i feel the same.

  • #8691

    Danni
    Spectator

    \"Special collectors edition\" – Or not. I’ll let that be unsaid.

  • #8692

    i wouldn’t call that clear. it looks brown. transparent brown. the yellow and red vinyl version are also transparent.

  • #8693

    marigold
    Spectator

    It looks a bit like it was tea-dyed.

  • #8694

    manillascissor
    Keymaster

    tea bagged maybe

  • #8695

    marigold
    Spectator

    :roll:

  • #8696

  • #8697

    Arthur
    Spectator

    The rest room was probably occupied, so this vinyl plant employee didn’t know another place to get rid of his diarrhea? :roll:

    Thanks CAIC, pics will be uploaded shorty, and we will update the article about this diseased vinyl on WordPress also. ( http://spfreaks.wordpress.com/2008/03/0 … a-disease/ )

    Is it correct that we now have black, yellow, red and (clear) brown for this fake vinyl? No other colors discovered in the meantime?

  • #8698

    manillascissor
    Keymaster

    The rest room was probably occupied, so this vinyl plant employee didn’t know another place to get rid of his diarrhea? :roll:

    Thanks CAIC, pics will be uploaded shorty, and we will update the article about this diseased vinyl on WordPress also. ( http://spfreaks.wordpress.com/2008/03/0 … a-disease/ )

    Is it correct that we now have black, yellow, red and (clear) brown for this fake vinyl? No other colors discovered in the meantime?[/quote:3lhymhb3]

    it would be slightly more correct to call it ‘translucent brown’ and there is also a known plain ol’ ‘clear’ pressing

  • #8699

    do you have pictures of this clear pressing that isn’t brown?
    i haven’t seen that version before.

    note that the red and yellow version are also translucent.

  • #8700

    manillascissor
    Keymaster

    i just had a link to an eBay auction at the time but it was clearly clear. :wink:

  • #8701

    Sauli
    Spectator

    Why there are some some part of matrix area missing? Is that supposed to be a moon or something? :?

  • #8702

    Why there are some some part of matrix area missing? Is that supposed to be a moon or something? :?[/quote:1y3xo8w4]
    there isn’t anything missing. the vinyl is see-through. the black stuff you see around the label, is the hole in the middle of the inner sleeve. well, the part of the hole that isn’t covered by the label on the record.
    do you see what i mean?

  • #8703

    Arthur
    Spectator

    That, and the shadow of the label projected on the background.

  • #8704

    Sauli
    Spectator

    Why there are some some part of matrix area missing? Is that supposed to be a moon or something? :?[/quote:248o5179]
    there isn’t anything missing. the vinyl is see-through. the black stuff you see around the label, is the hole in the middle of the inner sleeve. well, the part of the hole that isn’t covered by the label on the record.
    do you see what i mean?[/quote:248o5179]

    That makes sense. :oops:

  • #8705

    manillascissor
    Keymaster

    .edit.

  • #8706

    marigold
    Spectator
  • #8707

    manillascissor
    Keymaster

    that could be real in someone’s reality. if it IS fake, it is very nicely done.

    but since it has no affiliation with the RIAA, i don’t think instantly makes it fake. i think numbering an award 1/50 does, however, make it instantly fake.

    either way, it’s a strange one.

  • #8708

    aren’t these \"award\" records typically random records, by other artists?
    i bet that if that \"gold\" record is playable, it won’t sound like the pumpkins.

  • #8709

    manillascissor
    Keymaster

    no, those records i recently found out are just mass produced by some company. they have an online shop (the RIAA) that they order theirs from. i can’t remember all the info.

    the record will play something, probably more similar to white noise. i would expect the record to be gold in color as well, so that is another tiny fuck up. or, major, perhaps.

  • #8710

    manillascissor
    Keymaster

    i can’t find where i put that other information about who makes those records for the awards. :cry:

  • #8711

    marigold
    Spectator

    the ‘clear’ one is back
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Smashing-Pumpki … 460b6217b3

    I don’t know how they sell these with the reissue being out now… :roll:

  • #8712

    manillascissor
    Keymaster

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Smashing-Pumpki … 3cda362433

    hilarious.

  • #8713

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Smashing-Pumpkins-Mellon-Collie-And-The-Infinite-Sadness-3-LPS-Gatefold-/261359019059?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item3cda362433

    hilarious.[/quote:2o43kv0z]
    wow… did someone really ruin an unnumbered copy by adding their own number?

    The front cover number at lower right looks like is is hand written with a ball point pen, but it may have just been traced over with pen.[/quote:2o43kv0z]
    <a href="http://i62.tinypic.com/o6dv1t.jpg:2o43kv0z][/url:2o43kv0z”>

  • #8714

    jawn till dusk
    Spectator

    This has been on sale since at least December at the same price.

    Such a waste of a great item. :cry:

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