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Arthur says:
By email I have another discussion going on about WLP’s: do they come in black sleeves, or blue sleeves, or both? I think it’s better to have everyone involved in this discussion… So, can somebody either confirm OR correct the current WLP entries on SPfreaks.com, if they have the right sleeves, and is the rest of the info also appropriate?
Next to that, my question would be: the blue sleeves are more rare, right? Do you vinyl collectors consider that to be influencing the collectors’ price you want to pay for it? Some of you are buying several copies of the same WLP, so I guess you must have an opinion on that one…
Another question, what is the FULL list of WLP releases? I come to 8 or 9, if you think of it (considering it are UK 10\"/12\" singles/albums + 12\" Peel Sessions EP):
-Peel Sessions http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=1542
-I Am One 12\" http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=1399
-I Am One 10\" http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=2593
-Siamese Dream 2LP http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=1548
-Cherub Rock http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=1538
-Today http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=1397
-Disarm http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=1539 (missing pics! who scans?)
-Zero http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=1095 (not really a WHITE label…)
-Stand Inside Your Love http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=1876 (missing pics! who scans?)
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Cool As Ice Cream says:
Next to that, my question would be: the blue sleeves are more rare, right? Do you vinyl collectors consider that to be influencing the collectors’ price you want to pay for it? Some of you are buying several copies of the same WLP, so I guess you must have an opinion on that one…[/quote:7g0yb47l]
For me it doesn’t have an influence on the price.As far as I know, the Today and Disarm WLP come in blue sleeves, and the earlier ones come in black sleeves.
But in case some of the earlier ones also come in blue sleeves, then I wouldn’t pay more for one in a blue sleeve. It’s too easy to put any 12" in a blue sleeve from a Today or Disarm WLP.Anyway, if someone owns a WLP of Peel Sessions, I Am One or Cherub Rock that comes in a blue sleeve, please let us know! Same goes for Today or Disarm WLPs that come in a black sleeve.
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Here’s what I know of:
7\":
I Am One (3)
Siva/Rhino
Tristessa (5)
Cherub Rock-Clear
Cherub Rock-Black
Today-Red
Today-Black
Today-Black PH
Disarm-Purple
Disarm-Black
Rocket-Peach
Rocket-Black
1979/Bullet (never seen, but heard of)
Adore
Perfect10\":
I Am One
Strange Fruit
Machina II (3 12\")12\":
Light Into Dark
Tristessa DE
Siva UK
Peel Sessions UK
Siamese Dream UK
Pisces Iscariot UK (never seen, but heard of)
Cherub Rock UK
Today UK
Disarm UK
MCIS UK
1979 UK
1979 Mixes UK
Zero
Adore UK (never seen, but heard of)
Machina UK
Stand Inside Your Love
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Arthur says:
By email I have another discussion going on about WLP’s: do they come in black sleeves, or blue sleeves, or both? I think it’s better to have everyone involved in this discussion… So, can somebody either confirm OR correct the current WLP entries on SPfreaks.com, if they have the right sleeves, and is the rest of the info also appropriate?
Next to that, my question would be: the blue sleeves are more rare, right? Do you vinyl collectors consider that to be influencing the collectors’ price you want to pay for it? Some of you are buying several copies of the same WLP, so I guess you must have an opinion on that one…
Another question, what is the FULL list of WLP releases? I come to 8 or 9, if you think of it (considering it are UK 10"/12" singles/albums + 12" Peel Sessions EP):
-Peel Sessions http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=1542
-I Am One 12" http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=1399
-I Am One 10" http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=2593
-Siamese Dream 2LP http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=1548
-Cherub Rock http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=1538
-Today http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=1397
-Disarm http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=1539 (missing pics! who scans?)
-Zero http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=1095 (not really a WHITE label…)
-Stand Inside Your Love http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=1876 (missing pics! who scans?)
_________________[/quote:2yz8cdrx]Color of Sleeve: Doesn’t mean anything. Should not have an affect on price at all, since they were standard Hut sleeves and I doubt there was any intent other than for Hut to use what was readily available.
I also think it is highly likely that you would see a WLP release (e.g. Cherub Rock) that would come in both sleeves (Black or Blue), again depending on what stock was available on hand.
WLP List: It will only be items distrbuted/released by HUT. Everything else will not be a WLP, but a Test Press (e.g. the Tristessa one found recently on this site).
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wtf?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi … 0024744205[/quote:32kicg1c]
old news. this has been up since last year.
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wtf?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi … 0024744205[/quote:3sgyop97]
old news. this has been up since last year.[/quote:3sgyop97]
up since last year? whats wrong with you guys? why haven’t one of you bought this rarity? its only $5000- geeze.
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wtf?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi … 0024744205[/quote:2c7nbuir]
old news. this has been up since last year.[/quote:2c7nbuir]
up since last year? whats wrong with you guys? why haven’t one of you bought this rarity? its only $5000- geeze.
[/quote:2c7nbuir]cause i already own it.
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I’ve been thinking:
Caroline Records DOES NOT HAVE ANY TEST PRESSES.
I’ve never seen a Gish, Siamese Dream, Pisces Iscariot, or Adore WLP from the US. I think maybe Caroline has a policy of destroying the test presses after they get the pressing they are after.
Can anyone provide a Caroline Records test press for Smashing Pumpkins (or any band for that matter)?
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Arthur says:
-Peel Sessions http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=1542
-I Am One 12" http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=1399
-I Am One 10" http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=2593
-Siamese Dream 2LP http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=1548
-Cherub Rock http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=1538
-Today http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=1397
-Disarm http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=1539 (missing pics! who scans?)
-Zero http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=1095 (not really a WHITE label…)
-Stand Inside Your Love http://www.spfreaks.com/default.aspx?pa … &item=1876 (missing pics! who scans?)
_________________[/quote:tfr9h8e3]Of all those I only got the Zero one unfortunately.
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wtf?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi … 0024744205[/quote:3oic9iq2]
old news. this has been up since last year.[/quote:3oic9iq2]
up since last year? whats wrong with you guys? why haven’t one of you bought this rarity? its only $5000- geeze.
[/quote:3oic9iq2]cause i already own it.
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what don’t you havewell apparently the test pressings of what you listed
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the caroline release theory got me thinking (about everything else)
i know there is no way of knowing the absolute answers to all of these questions, but i was wondering…
is there a siva / window paine wlp? or did they not make one because they were gonna make peel sessions wlp’s a few months later? including siva on the tracklist
and how about the hut lp releases of gish, siamese, pisces, mellon collie, and machina? presumably there are test preses / wlp’s for all? and so far on the site, i see a siamese dream wlp, and a machina tp. anymore confirmed?
now the hut singles. there seems to always be the potential for a test press from every single, 7” and 12” versions. and no wlp versions of 7” singles. makes sense, kinda redundant to make wlp’s for both 12” and 7” releases. but makes sense to have test presses for both sizes.
and if i have it right, let’s use cherub rock as an example. make a 12” test press. make a 7” test press. maybe 2 or 3 of each? once its good to go, make some wlp’s to give out. (or make the test presses and the wlp’s at the same time) then make the official releases. from the same template used to make that perfected test press? i see various test presses and wlp’s for 7” and 12” singles on here.
but how about a 1979 12” wlp? do you think hut made one? or did they only do the ones for siamese dream, and then make that unique looking zero one? and then seeing the machina tp leads me to believe there is at least a hut mellon collie tp out there. and maybe a wlp for mellon collie and machina too?
and how about a test press for a jukebox release? there’s a today phillipines, but not for ava adore, perfect, teitbite, or 1979/bwbw. do they exist?
or tp’s for a 12”remix vinyl?
and there seems to be every possible version of tristessa on here. unless for some reason sub pop made a promo for the 12”
and i see there is a spot for a rhino test press. anybody ever seen that? (back to the caroline test press theory)
and how about a daughter or i am one flexi tp?!
i’de also like a strange fruit tp, or a zero tp, or a starchildren tp
ok, enough rambling
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there is a test press/wlp for siva. it’s pretty rare, but i’ve seen it for sale plenty of times, i just never bought it cause it usually goes for a lot.
i’m beginning to just call these fuckers the same thing (tp/wlp).
mellon collie tp confirmed. i used to own it.
1979 UK confirmed. i own this. there is also one for 1979 mixes.
the siva/rhino promo is a promo in and of itself, so i don’t think they would make a promo for a promo.
so yeah, it brings me back to the caroline issue. the siva is a good example, brandon, i forgot about that one. but it seems this was made as a promo, for intention of being released as such, and then either pulled or just pressed in very limited quantities.
which leads me to….where are the test presses for the 12\" releases? me thinks they don’t exist.
i do think a UK Gish tp/wlp exists out there somewhere, but maybe not, as it was originally a caroline release. but then it was remastered, so they’d have to make new plates for that.
ugh. this is confusing.
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not too confusing. you answer alot of questions if you catagorize a tp / wlp as one in the same. for as far as whats been confirmed or not
i’ve seen one siva on ebay this year, and i missed the end of the auction. and then the seller who sold me the today and disarm, said they also had a siva, but then got back to me and said it was peel sessions. which made me think if it really existed.
that still leaves all the test presses of the 7” jukebox releases to be confirmed. with today phillipines being the only one pictured. and obviously there wouldn’t be promos of these, since they’re already promos.
and if there is a 1979 12” tp and a 1979 mixes tp, then there may very well be a perfect tp from virgin and hut, as well as the 3 different teitbite mix vinyls, and maybe even zero and siyl tp’s. i know these already are promos, but maybe there’s a couple tp’s of each at the factory.
and it’s sad to think the caroline tp / wlp releases don’t exist.
good theory about the gish wlp possibility. but why make a promo, if it had already been released? i didnt realze it was a caroline release first. and the same thing with the hutt pisces. that one came out 2 years after the caroline release. why make a promo for that one either? or maybe, DO make a gish or pisces
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you answer alot of questions if you catagorize a tp / wlp as one in the same.[/quote:pnyldvim]
Uhmmm… Does that make sense? Test pressings come by the few only (but the actual test pressings are sometimes "upgraded" and send out as promos, that’s true) while White Label Promos come by the dozens and serve another purpose… to be used as a promo in the first place. -
sometimes i talk out of my ass. i agree with what you just said arthur.
i think the big difference is either you have a fully playable wlp or one of the first couple pressed for quality control testing, which may not play perfectly or line up properly. then you make the adjustment, and run off some more. how many more before you check again, i wonder? i read on here earlier that mr iha had a bad pressing of his cherub rock wlp. maybe thats one of the upgraded tp’s your talking about that get used as a wlp? a third category if you will. something that still wasnt perfect, but better than the original tp, therefore considered a wlp. and then theres the plain sleeve versus the hutt sleeve. which is guess may be one the best inducators of a tp or wlp?
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i have an early gish vinyl that i believe was used as a promo. it comes with a (red) promo sheet. but besides that, it’s identical to the commercial release (either carlp16 or hutlp2, can’t remember right now). and i have a gish vinyl that has a \"promo\" stamp on the sleeve. might be the korean one.
it doesn’t prove anything, but it looks like there were no specific promo copies for gish. they just used the normal copies.
maybe this is typical for beginning bands? they start with small runs of vinyl pressings anyway. no need for a different run of wlps. dunno. -
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you answer alot of questions if you catagorize a tp / wlp as one in the same.[/quote:3jovm1en]
Uhmmm… Does that make sense? Test pressings come by the few only (but the actual test pressings are sometimes "upgraded" and send out as promos, that’s true) while White Label Promos come by the dozens and serve another purpose… to be used as a promo in the first place.[/quote:3jovm1en]i agree, Arthur-
for literally ALL vinyl releases true TEST PRESSINGS are made to check the master matrix and all.
some of these, be it: an ‘over-run’ in TEST PRESSINGS or whatever, did get used as WL promos.
but: you’d NEVER wanna promo something out that wasn’t OK!- so: these TEST PRESSINGS turned into WL promos were per se the OK-d and thus OK master matrix pressings.
then: there are also the REAL and TRUE WL promos. these are mostly among or the first pressings from the OK-d master, with a White Label and promo-d out…
while I agree it can be difficult or near impossible sometimes even to distinguish a WL promo from a TP… there, basicaly and productionally, IS a difference.
for example:
– BC himself told me there are very few copies of the MACHINA 2LP TP-
– he OK-d it although when the bass kicks in during TEG on a lot of record-players the needle ‘jumps’- well: ‘tough luck’ as BC said—still:
– MACHINA WL promos might exist too???!!!!—as per the pressing of Cherub Rock mentioned above/below-
shit happens even in true pressings and all-
vinyl error, some dust, something else-
shit happens—-basically:
– TP > internal use to check only —
– WL > external use, so: checked and OK-d product only —sometimes the TP is OK and thus: TPs are ‘upgraded’ to WL promos.
as per such: TPs ARE something totally ELSE and DIFFERENT than WL promos.
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