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Sheila, Ava, Daphne, Dusty?, Annie, Martha, Czarina
What gives? I can’t think of another album that has this many women’s names on it. It’s pretty cool, those names. I like them all, especially Czarina. Just wonder why so many of these names ended up in the song titles themselves.
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Maybe its because he was dealing with a lot of issues at the time that involved women. His mom died, he was getting a divorce, Darcy was on her way out, Yelena was around. I think maybe it just got expressed in his music. Plus as bullettwoutbutterflywings said, the album is softer.[/quote:227psx8z]
That makes sense. Like, For Martha is obvious. Just the rest. I wonder if these are inspired by real people or just poetic parameter.
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Just the rest. I wonder if these are inspired by real people or just poetic parameter.[/quote:3e294gac]
Probably for poetic/romantic use. Alluding to things, as well as feminizing them for whatever reason (Billy mentioned that his music is essentially female or something like that once)Maybe he finds it easier to discuss issues when they are given a female form? Maybe they best represent the stuff he’s talking about? Maybe it’s just a poetic device? Who knows!
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I agree, definitely poetic. Though I love the names he chose! And of course.. Dusty in Dusty and Pistol Pete, which is one of my very favs off Adore.
Adore was such a great album, it still pisses me off that some people \"abandoned\" the band after that, and Billy has said they should have just quit after MCIS (I guess due to all the tragedy that occured during that tour) but I get kind of sad thinking what if Adore was never written/recorded. Its just a beautiful album.
And there’s my .02 cents
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Adore, to me, is the only album that truly stands out from all the other Pumpkins work. And I don’t think it is solely due to the fact that Jimmy wasn’t on this album. It just doesn’t have that rock edge, that most of the other albums at least delve in and out of.
I’d say it’s my favorite album, after Siamese Dream of course. And yes, the thought of no Adore?
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I agree to an extent. There are songs on Machina that I do think are beautiful songs. I only listen to them individually though. Last time I listened to the album start to finish I felt like I was on the rack. Itâs just too oppressive. I think the reason itâs so unapproachable has to do with Billyâs song writing for the record. From Adore into Machina a lot of his songs, from a poetic standpoint, were written in the High Modernist style. He switched more to stream of consciousness and lyrics that were overly metaphor laden. For me, Iâm reminded of all the times Iâve been forced to trudge through Ezra Pound and T.S. Elliot. It just kills the brain. I think Billy was just trying to show that he can wax poetic with the best of them. Iâm not calling him pompous or intellectually elitist, but I think he did little to disprove that criticism here. Machina just doesnât cut it as light listening. The acoustic demos are better though.
Oh, and by the way Iâm a literature minor, so thatâs where the semi- uppity lyric analysis comes from. Sorry.
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I do like the songs themselves. I just can’t listen to the album start to finish. Its just gets to be too much that way. I think if Machina II was put with it, the album would have been better. I think more people could have appreciated it, with the material broken up a little better like on MCIS. As is, I think a lot of people just find listening to the whole thing a bit torturous, even if you love the Pumpkins. It does have cool album art though (videos not so much).
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