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i guess JCC is being resurrected.
http://jimmychamberlincomplex.com/blog/?m=20090308
i feel numb and physically ill. my work weekend is going to suck.
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i know the feeling. this can’t be the end though and it looks like we have JCC maybe to look forward too. i don’t know. i’m sure some clarification will follow.
i’m probably just going to break away from all of this and get some sleep. and like niteshyft said this crap has happened before. and you know last time Jimmy left we got Adore. i don’t know.
and you know BC/ JC have split and reunited before too.
i just wish Jimmy all the best and i look forward to some more JCC and whatever Billy has up his sleeve.
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i remember in an interview billy said the band will not go away as an emotional entity until we are dead. i wonder what he meant by \"emotional entity\" that’s what makes me think jimmy could possibly be leaving only for a little while to work on the complex. but if that is the case they should say so instead of jerking us around. i dunno.
maybe jimmy already recorded his parts and now billy is going to go back and work with that? ugh who knows?
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I don’t believe the official SP site would make a joke of this size. PMM’s posted on HU that it’s not a joke of any kind.
Well, the way I see it is I’m in for the long haul: The band and their art have given me years of pleasure and I’m sure many more to come, in whichever form.
Billy Corgan will likely always create and I’d imagine Jimmy C. wouldn’t all-out ditch his friend.
Unlikely, but I always hope for some kind of re-linking in years to come, of all the ‘original members.’
Imho, best to raise a glass to each and every one of those who have/had anything to do with The Smashing Pumpkins; giving our support where possible for the long-term.
While the boat’s in water, it can always sail, right? Keeping hopeful anyway, spent too much of my life with SPs in it to shrug and walk away.
A sad and bizarrely beautiful time…
~ Salutes to Jimmy. ~
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What just crossed my mind… The message of Jimmy leaving is brought to us… just like that. No reasons given, no further explanation, no background. I think that is not nice. To say the least. But I don’t know what to think of it. Was there a fight? Financial troubles? Family troubles? Drugs troubles? Jimmy wanting to pick up his solo career again? No official statements… It sux.
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What just crossed my mind… The message of Jimmy leaving is brought to us… just like that. No reasons given, no further explanation, no background. I think that is not nice. To say the least. But I don’t know what to think of it. Was there a fight? Financial troubles? Family troubles? Drugs troubles? Jimmy wanting to pick up his solo career again? No official statements… It sux.[/quote:39q5t0pk]
i felt that way too. it was so blunt and so abrupt. PMM hasn’t even been around to the best of my knowledge. i really wonder who put this up on the site. was it Jimmy? Billy?
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nicely stated blue
I remember hearing on a live show that SP is who ever is up on stage with them….it doesn’t matter who it is…an entity like rose suggested..
SP was Billy’s idea, his thought, his mind creation from his heart..and so on
He is the SP..if it weren’t for him and his thought manifestation we wouldn’t have had SP to begin with.
Will Jimmy at least tour with him??
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Ive been thinking, I still belive that SP will still go on without JC, even though BC is the only \"real SP member left\".
The name Smashing Pumpkins is selling, but Billy on his own doesnt sell that well, i mean solo.
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So, how long do you think it will take until we get some decent information on the departure. Any guesses? Monday or earlier?
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Yeah hopefully… I tried to read the SP forum about this topic, but they are all guessing and gossiping… no real news. But to me also the most frustrating part is that there are no details announced. I mean, it’s so easy to tell us all "because he wants to spend more time with his family, which the band fully supports and respects" or something. Now, after the 20th Anniversary Tour, plans for new music, the SP Archive being unlocked, so many nice things to work on in the future, and Jimmy just… leaves? He said in a few interviews that SP is here to stay! WTF is going on here? -
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So, how long do you think it will take until we get some decent information on the departure. Any guesses? Monday or earlier?
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Yeah hopefully… I tried to read the SP forum about this topic, but they are all guessing and gossiping… no real news. But to me also the most frustrating part is that there are no details announced. I mean, it’s so easy to tell us all "because he wants to spend more time with his family, which the band fully supports and respects" or something. Now, after the 20th Anniversary Tour, plans for new music, the SP Archive being unlocked, so many nice things to work on in the future, and Jimmy just… leaves? He said in a few interviews that SP is here to stay! WTF is going on here?[/quote:2qmdhyr9]you said it arthur. people on the board need to shut their mouths and wait for an official response. it truly doesn’t make sense with what jimmy has said in those interviews about sp not going anywhere. i dont want to sound like one of those speculators, but i think is a health issue. nothing else makes sense.
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Whatever the situation, obviously there needs to be an announcement within the next few days.
For fear of sounding like ‘yet another’ Guesser, I’ll opt for it being a nutty wind-up with good rewards planned… Certainly not funny though, without -some- explanation…
My second thought is health/family-related, generally a sudden change like this would indicate that.
While playing Stellar on repeat today (just felt the urge), I noticed the HU picture was upbeat and jokey, plus somebody remarked on that part also.
Hmm, just hoping that everybody’s fine and, \"The show will go on.\"
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I’m with you Arthur! You don’t think Jimmy got upset about Billy’s partying with that porno star in Vegas has something to do with it?
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Hehehe! She is kinda pretty though (and half his age almost ), so I wouldn’t blame him! Let’s lighten up this thread with a new gossip about that girl Sasha, including some pics of her (almost NSFW)…
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bleh
we’ve been through this before. jimmy left, then d’arcy, then james (emotionally). then billy.
it strikes me as odd timing though, right after the release of FOL, a decent song, and all the new live material that jimmy was completely crushing on.
oh well, here’s to good health for each branch that shall now spring forth. i’m with ya.
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Arthur: Of course you can use that picture, but in second thoughts it did look quite bizarre, almost like an obituary notice…?
But then again, I hope not. [/quote:b8qbci4s]
Yeah well, it feels like that a bit, and we don’t say "R.I.P." right? I was only thinking that 2007-2009 is not actually right, as Billy and Jimmy claimed that they started working on the material for Zeitgeist in October or November 2005. But a la… it’s OK, it expresses our feelings very well, and I’m proud to show it, as it is our members’ work. See? -
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yeah atomic bomb.
i think he will be back eventually. they are buds, partners, they can’t stay apart for long. whatdya think?
i’m just tryin to be hopeful.
and yep sasha is hot. and that party of hers billy went to was her 21st b-day party. i thought porn stars would have to already be 21, but i guess it’s 18? she seems too young to be a porn star.
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For the moment it’s not a joke no, it’s an official announcement from the official website, and tons of other media sources have published it too. They have received a seperate press release with this message, they didn’t have to read it from the website. There is some serious shit going on.
But what sux big times is that whatever circumstances (financial troubles, health troubles, troubles about girls, personal misunderstandings, the urge to go a different musical direction, whatever), 2 good friends that were good friends till recently, they don’t say goodbye to each other like this. Just 1 line like \"we will come back to you about this soon, as we understand this is a surprise to you all\" would have made a difference.
I just had a long conversation about this with our own SPfreaky Sven (who is still working for SP.com, but on the background) and he is, as an SP insider, just as surprised as me. He thinks it is not a joke, Jimmy leaving the band. He, and the rest of PMM, knew about this already a few days before it was published, and all the time he couldn’t figure out what is happening, or what has happened.
So now I tried to step in Billy Corgan’s shoes, and tried to imagine what happened last week. For some reason, Jimmy leaves the band. With a fight, or without a fight. With personal issues in the family, or for other reasons. We don’t know. But even if there was a big fight, there should have been somebody that had the courtesy to say \"It’s a shock, we understand, and we will soon do justice to Jimmy leaving the band. For reasons we can not tell here now, he just had to go. God Speed to our friend Jimmy.\"
Now, what reasons does Billy, or the PMM, have, to publish only this cold message AFTER A FEW DAYS? I mean, even if there was a fight with the biggest emotions, those will be cooled down the next day, and then you write nice(r) words for an old friend. Or have the PMM do that for you… Since Billy had no issues with showing his emotions in ’96 when Jimmy had to leave the band also, I cannot understand what made him so cold now, publishing these few lines only… And together with \"and I’m still Smashing Pumpkins, and I go to the studio again soon\". So? Does that make it business as usual? Should that make us happy and smiling again, because it’s \"only\" Jimmy, the fucking best drummer in the universe and beyond, leaving our favourite band? Guess not, right? All in all, it still makes no sense to me, really… I can only hope the clouds will clear soon…
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So this was news that came out on Friday, but happened before Friday
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Precisely… A message was already send around in the PMM team before the announcement on Friday. That is standard procedure, as the PMM team has to be prepared for the audience reactions on certain hot news, I can imagine. No issues with that. But I just can’t figure out why NOBODY involved, had the courtesy to make a more proper message about this in the meantime. A real proper message, doing justice to this shocking news. Doing justice to the status of Jimmy. I can, in the end, with some effort, live with the idea that drum beast Jimmy is not in the band anymore, and I can even very easily live with the idea that Billy Corgan keeps the name Smashing Pumpkins and continues working under that name. It is after all the concept that is most succesful for him, both creative and financial. No issues here also.But no proper goodbye to Jimmy? No mention of a farewell show? No (hint to) reasons why? This is fucking killing me!
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That it just freaking odd…It’s really starting to get to me. I really hope their friendship isn’t affected, since there hasn’t been a proper farewell..WTF? And for what reason would this break out from?
I wish Jimmy the best in life
Billy the best as well.
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Now, even the thread on the SP forum about this news is deleted… hmmm…
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Now, even the thread on the SP forum about this news is deleted… hmmm…
http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/board/i … topic=2894[/quote:28uyicfw]
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http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/board/i … entry91186
this is the topic about jimmy leaving…
is this one?
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Cool. I just read there that Jimmy had a test blog posted on his JCC website (link doesn’t work anymore, probably deleted also) and Linda Strawberry said something on Twitter about Jimmy wanting to go his own musical way again, with JCC. Makes sense, but is not in line with Jimmy’s previous opinions like \"SP till we die\" and so on. But people can change their minds, no problem. But why not tell something about it in the first official message? I just don’t get it!
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I’m going out on a limb and maybe everyone won’t get it but…. Jimmy seems to be the only pumpkins that doesn’t have much say. Think about it, when lawsuits are files by Billy, James and D’arcy they never involve Jimmy. It’s like he doesn’t have an equal say with the pumpkins since he was kicked out in 96.
Billy was the only one to sue Virgin.
James and D’arcy sue due to the label leaving them out of the deal with Billy and the label.
Where is Jimmy in any of this?… I think he asked for a bigger piece of the pie and now he is gone.
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Cool. I just read there that Jimmy had a test blog posted on his JCC website (link doesn’t work anymore, probably deleted also) and Linda Strawberry said something on Twitter about Jimmy wanting to go his own musical way again, with JCC. Makes sense, but is not in line with Jimmy’s previous opinions like "SP till we die" and so on. But people can change their minds, no problem. But why not tell something about it in the first official message? I just don’t get it![/quote:30pk7p3k]
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I’m going out on a limb and maybe everyone won’t get it but…. Jimmy seems to be the only pumpkins that doesn’t have much say. Think about it, when lawsuits are files by Billy, James and D’arcy they never involve Jimmy. It’s like he doesn’t have an equal say with the pumpkins since he was kicked out in 96.
Billy was the only one to sue Virgin.
James and D’arcy sue due to the label leaving them out of the deal with Billy and the label.
Where is Jimmy in any of this?… I think he asked for a bigger piece of the pie and now he is gone.[/quote:3f1odz2d]
i do totally see your point. he is the quiet one and he wasn’t involved in that stuff as far as we know.
i don’t know though, because i then i think he actually got producer credit on Zeitgeist. i don’t know. i feel like my idea of them has been shattered somehow.
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Where is Jimmy in any of this?… I think he asked for a bigger piece of the pie and now he is gone.[/quote:1ekomchh]
Very interesting point of view. Cold wars like this, without too many details being given to the public, often go about money or girls. Money would be my first option too, as since they are an independant band without a label, they must have been talking about it quite a few times. How to keep the circus rolling? Did Jimmy get his fair share of the sales of G.L.O.W., Feel Our Love and maybe even Today, if at all? Maybe they didn’t agree on the business model for the future, or Jimmy felt unhappy about his contract after they left Reprise Records… who knows. Maybe we will know someday… For the moment I’m still numb about it. I didn’t care about James and D’Arcy so much, to be honest, but my heart goes to Jimmy and Billy. They are a wonderful team, and now that seems to be history too… -
Can somebody please copy that article of Sunky on SP.com, called \"Dawn of a New Era\"?
I’m having errors all the time (and not only on this article! I told PMM a few times already, but they don’t do anything about it, grrrr!
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Can somebody please copy that article of Sunky on SP.com, called "Dawn of a New Era"?
[/quote:3q8ujno6]Problems with IE? Use Firefox: http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable
Portable version, no Installation, and use adblock plus: https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/1865Here is the article of sunky:
Dawn of a New Era
March 22, 2009 | 1022 Views
At the start of this year I wrote a piece on the next chapter for the Smashing Pumpkins and what we could possibly expect in 2009. This was based on the various media interviews given in late 2008 and at the time it seemed like we knew what to expect. However, as Billy once sang ‘all things change’.As the news on Jimmy Chamberlin’s departure appeared on SP.com, one word sprung to mind: ‘unexpected’. With the community reading the news in disbelief and some claiming this ‘has to be’ nothing more than an early April Fools joke, the shock announcement of a few days ago still hasn’t sunk in for many fans.
"The SMASHING PUMPKINS’ guitarist, singer, songwriter and founding member Billy Corgan has announced that drummer Jimmy Chamberlin has left the group. Chamberlin joined the band Corgan founded in Chicago in 1988 and played on all their albums except Adore (1998).
Corgan will continue to write and record as SMASHING PUMPKINS with plans to head into the studio this spring."
At the time of writing this article there is no official word from Jimmy as to his reasons for leaving the Pumpkins. While this adds to the confusion from fans searching for an answer to the main question of why, there is not doubt that most people agree this decision could not have been an easy one. We could speculate reasons for weeks on end, but until the band are ready to divulge that information we should be wary of any rumors we read.
Billy and Jimmy – Kansas City, MO – November 24, 2008 – Photo Bruce Moore
The message is still clear though, this is not the end of the Smashing Pumpkins. It is dawn of a new age for the Smashing Pumpkins; the band has evolved. Any form of change is met with a healthy dose of apprehension. It was (and still is) difficult for members of the fan base not to see the Smashing Pumpkins as those ‘original four’ members. It is undeniable that the music, energy and creativity behind the original force had was truly special. However, we’ve now had a decade since that line up was together for a brief handful of shows on the Arising tour.
This is nothing relatively new in the world of the Pumpkins. Even since the early days of Smashing Pumpkins we’ve become accustomed to the various musicians being invited into the studio or on tour with the group to help explore sounds and evolve the direction of the band. We now find the current hot topic mimicking the same discussion from back in 2007, when we first discovered that Billy and Jimmy would be the only two original members returning under the Smashing Pumpkins banner.
‘What makes this the Smashing Pumpkins?"
There is no right or wrong answer to this. The Smashing Pumpkins mean something different to each fan. It is not just the musicians, it is not just the sound and it is not just the name that we connect with in calling this group Smashing Pumpkins. We’ve now been in an era over the past few years where we as a community have had to ask ourselves this difficult question, even though we’ve had to deal with this in some form or another since the Mellon Collie era.
We have always found reasons, our own reasons for what makes this the Smashing Pumpkins. With the return in 07 some fans could not see this as the Pumpkins because James Iha and D’arcy were no longer involved, but they were the same fans that still called them the Smashing Pumpkins during the Adore and Machina eras without the ‘full original line up’. Was it purely based on the number of members, not the overall idea behind the name? It is always up to the individual.
As a fan base we can admit that we have been here before. We’ve ‘survived’ the departure of an original member before and it still delivered us music with which we’ve fallen in love. Currently as it stands, Billy Corgan is the Smashing Pumpkins. As much as some refuse to admit that, to a large portion of the Smashing Pumpkins and the wider music community out there, that is the way it has always been and always will be. When on The Hour back in November of 2008 Billy spoke about his time away from the Smashing Pumpkins during the Future Embrace era:
"Nobody (the public) wanted to see me not be in the band (Smashing Pumpkins) …
I wanted to move on with my life, but nobody else would."
– Billy Corgan – The Hour with George StroumboulopoulosThere are many popular bands from over the history of popular music that have gone on to have long successful careers with the one creative force and a range of musicians being a part of various eras of the bands life. Artists like Marilyn Manson, Robert Smith of The Cure, Tony Iommi and Black Sabbath and Mick Fleetwood of Fleetwood Mac to name a few have all been constant members of their respective bands. These are bands that started off as groups, a collective with a common goal but eventually led to one person being the sole key member. We are now in that era of the Smashing Pumpkins.
I’m sure back in the days when original members left and new members joined these acts, fans of the bands were asking themselves the same questions we as Smashing Pumpkins fans are pondering currently. All it takes is that one new song to get you hooked and you can have all your worries put to rest (as mentioned in the press release, Billy is now heading into the studio). So nothing from the ‘original 2009 plan’ has changed, except I think Billy will find fans and non-fans alike will be even more critical than ever before.
The enormity of losing an important member in regards to the sound of the band will be felt both in the studio and in the live arena. Whilst nobody can deny the chemistry between Billy and Jimmy was truly one of a kind, we have seen Billy create amazing music whilst Jimmy was absent. Even though Billy has openly talked about the frustration he felt during that period of the Pumpkins, lost without his ‘musical partner’, somehow out of that difficult time came some ground breaking critically acclaimed work as the Smashing Pumpkins.
So while the future is not what we had expected at the start of this year, there is still a future for this band and their songs. This is not the end, this is something we shouldn’t forget. The idea that created this band 21 years ago is still the same idea today, to create music unlike any other band out there. As echoed by all fans on the forum, whilst we are saddened by the announcement we all wish Jimmy the best for the future and thank him for everything he has given us over the years.
Let’s rock one last time with United States, one of the epics of the Zeitgeist era that allowed Jimmy to shine everynight this was performed. We’ll miss you Jimmy.
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Cheers for posting mr.benway, I’ve had some trouble with the link also today.
I suppose the saying, \"No news is good news\" might be worth keeping in mind at this time:
Health-related issues seem unlikely to me now, as Corgan’s not seeming to act like somebody whose best friend is in Hospital; or whatever. I’d have ‘gone AWOL’ also in this situation.
I’m tired of wondering about it all now, an announcement must be coming up soon and I’d imagine it’s business-related.
Hopefully, Chamberlin’s going to come back and forth for different things, I can’t imagine their friendship ending so suddenly.
There’s possibly a whole mix of reasons, nothing clear-cut… Ho-hum.
* Waits for official announcement *
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Can somebody please copy that article of Sunky on SP.com, called "Dawn of a New Era"?
I’m having errors all the time (and not only on this article! I told PMM a few times already, but they don’t do anything about it, grrrr!
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—————————[/quote:1bw5fvmb]yeah me too. i can’t read the articles when they have youtube videos is completly impossible. I have told PMM too but I think he doesn’t have that problems so I guess that’s why he doesn’t fix it. Looks like it only happens with some browsers ( I use IE)
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So I would suggest using Firefox like Mr. Benway said.Definitely can’t be health reasons or why would Jimmy be drumming in the JCC??
so we can eliminate that thought!
Now the suing and business side…who knows, but that could definitely be something…I just wonder if we will get the legitimate reason for his departure or a 1/2 assed explanation.
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I might try that later, but I’m always on my work laptop, so I cannot do any installations. The whole SP.com website is working fine on Internet Explorer, except for some articles. Hopefully they can fix it over there someday.[/quote:2smbd6aa]take a look arthur http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/board/i … entry92724
i have IE and vista (but with xp it happened too).
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I don’t know how you guys and guysesses see it, never did I think a band could affect me as much as they have.
Horrible numb feeling.
[/quote:2ww1iy8b]yeah, i never thought a band would affect me this much either. i can’t really explain it to anyone if they ask me. i know ya’ll understand because you feel the same way i do.
sometimes i wonder if this much personal involvement is unhealthy… no offense to any of you of course, i just wonder has anyone ever wondered this same thing?
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sometimes i wonder if this much personal involvement is unhealthy…[/quote:1mxn55wj]
Want an honest answer? Yes, and no. I think it is better to be a little independant, and have independant thoughts about most things. However, you can never be independant about the things you deeply love and utterly care for. As long as we are not freaking out completely, or stalking the band, or think Billy is god (Really, he isn’t. He picks his nose, he farts too, and like jesus, allah, mohammed and the rest of the godly bunch, he doesn’t know it either.) then I think we have a rather healthy obsession. -
Okey doke, I’ve been asked to share a wee bit of information – THIS MAY WELL BE 100% INCORRECT. Just to be sure that’s clear, here it is again – THIS MAY WELL BE 100% INCORRECT.
Rumour from \"in the industry\" goes as follows:
Jimmy C’s fine and well. Due to business-related issues and committments to the JCC, they worked out a long-term idea where he can ‘come and go’ with SP.
Understandably, this has caused a lot of tension with public appearances, etc., which people have noticed in interviews with Corgan and Chamberlin on-screen together.
The agreement was said to be where Corgan leaves an announcement to Chamberlin, due sometime this week…
This info came from a ‘friend of a friend who knows somebody’ and may be completely wrong, so just to re-iterate: THIS MAY WELL BE 100% INCORRECT.
^ For myself, it feels right. Hope it is. I hate to think of illness and suchlike.
* Keeps waiting for a ‘proper’ announcement *
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Back on subject: I once went 11 days on bread, butter and water so I could bid on an SP item…
Oh, I lost it, btw. Apart from that short spell of time, I’ve seen my following of the band as a privilege and treat.
It can become unhealthy imho, if you let it, but there was a time before the band and I suppose that’s what needs remembering.
I enjoy SP stuff most weeks, not every day do I play them, just when the mood takes.
They’ll always be my favourite though, just the way it is.
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sometimes i wonder if this much personal involvement is unhealthy…[/quote:25f2mnat]
Want an honest answer? Yes, and no. I think it is better to be a little independant, and have independant thoughts about most things. However, you can never be independant about the things you deeply love and utterly care for. As long as we are not freaking out completely, or stalking the band, or think Billy is god (Really, he isn’t. He picks his nose, he farts too, and like jesus, allah, mohammed and the rest of the godly bunch, he doesn’t know it either.) then I think we have a rather healthy obsession.[/quote:25f2mnat]that’s my thoughts too.
I think that since my boyfriend left me 4 years ago (yes 4 FUCKING YEARS AGO), I have been trying to escape from love, honestly because I’am really scared to feel down again if that person kicks my ass again. In this case it’s a different type of love, but we can’t really escape from this downs in life. And we shouldn’t be scared of loving. I really care about this band, and of course that I feel sad because Jimmy is leaving. If I was an ocasional fan, probably i woudn’t mind, but i wouldn’t feel the way I do about their music too. And that is priceless.Billy farts and picks his nose?!
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http://jimmychamberlincomplex.com/blog
March 24, 2009 at 07:54 – Posted by jcc
By now you have heard the news of my departure from the Smashing Pumpkins. I will say, without going into any unnecessary details that this represents a positive move forward for me. I can no longer commit all of my energy into something that I donât fully possess. I wonât pretend Iâm into something Iâm not. I wonât do it to myself, you the fan, or my former partner. I canât just, âCash the checkâ so to speak. Music is my life. It is sacred. It deserves the highest commitment at every level and the Pumpkins are certainly no different. Iâm sorry but it really IS that simple. There is no drama, bad blood, or anything else but a full commitment to music. My best goes out to Billy and Iâm glad he has chosen to continue under the name. It is his right. I will continue to make music with the Jimmy Chamberlin Complex as well as pursuing other musical interests. I feel that I have a long way to go and a lot to give. Thanks to everyone for your kind words and support through all of this. I am constantly humbled by all of you! It is an honor and a privilege to play music for a living and I donât take it for granted not even for a second.
Stay tunedâ¦â¦. JC[/quote:31njtnom]
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I just went over to http://www.jimmychamberlincomplex.com/journal.php and there i could hear some samples from his first album, i admit its was pretty decent, so looking forward to get the cd soon.
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I just went over to http://www.jimmychamberlincomplex.com/journal.php and there i could hear some samples from his first album, i admit its was pretty decent, so looking forward to get the cd soon.
[/quote:3k77fspu]Way to go! So you did actually fall in love with the album?
I’m glad to hear!
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i’m not really into jazz, but who knows, maybe jc will open me up to a new musical genre.[/quote:1bwhbmut]
Oh man, Summer you need to explore the world of jazz.
It’s fantastic with all from Benny Goodman, Artie Shaw, Gene Krupa, Jess Stacey, Lionel Hampton, Dizzy Gillespie, Glen Miller and those guys! I love them all, but unfortunately most of them are dead today. Jazz kick azz!
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i don’t feel a tad bit bad in sharing this with you now—-
backstage @ pinkpop festival when TSP had just reformed-
i had quite a long talk with JC-
he recognised me from previous meetings-
those had all been with my then 13-year long girlfriend-
at pinkpop i was alone-
so i told JC the relationship was over and why-
he sat us down and we had quite a conversation about the spirituality of life and art and passions-
spiritual issues and visions i totally shared with JC then and there and still-
we met again briefly backstage in Den Bosch later in the tour; very short time spent… but it was more than enough for us-
the spirit, the passion was there and met in the spiritual vibe-
i can only say-
JCs a spiritual mind, visionary, heart and soul in action!
this doesn’t mean BC is NOT!
this is just to say- JC feels and thus KNOWS when it’s no longer right to be somewhere spiritually…
this moment is now with TSP now-
as much as i regret the outlook from now on for TSP-
i totally understand where he’s coming from….
it’s a choice maybe more of us could/should make?!
it’s a choice that’s to be applauded…plus-
makes you wonder-
assuming it’s not for the money-
how f-cking special bands and bonds like U2 and Pearl Jam – still standing strong together – are!
or: must be spiritually!!!!
i for me can’t even believe it’s only money for The Rolling Stones…
for RATM it WAS for example- it showed backstage (even on stage i guess again at pinkpop)
for Metallica i am not quite sure- i DO think there’s a lot of spiritual love there too between the guys…
that’s f-cking special!!!!taking a moment to feel and make this hard choice like JC’s done-
it’s quite a deal!
i’m proud of JC he’s made HIS important choice!hail JC
hail BC and TSP
be blissed…
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Three of Arthur’s best now we know what’s what:
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Yeah. And good source you had anyway, that person was well informed. Glad you posted it. And sorry to say it here, but JCC’s album doesn’t do anything for me. I’m totally so not in jazz, yekky!
There are 3 styles of music that have the ugly ability to make me nervous, angry, mad, making me want to destroy things and I’m getting itchy on places where I can not reach. And more of the likes, you get the picture. Those 3 are jazz, classical music (Bach, Beethoven, and that bullshit) and opera. Opera even makes me puke also. -
Now, tws has spread to our local newspaper too:
http://nsk.se/article/20090323/NOJE/640 … g-pumpkins
Why does it always say \"Chamberlain\"?
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Why does it always say "Chamberlain"?[/quote:224kcujl]
Because it is in fact his real name, as far as I know…http://www.spfreaks.com/?page=COLLDETAILS&item=1710
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Arthur:
Yeah, I totally agree with you. Jimmy has now with his departure and all gained a lot of respect from me having the guts to do a thing like this. I never thought there actually were people like this (caring more for music that the royalty check) in 2009.
Plus he is too qualified for songs like FOL for example, I think. I think BC is pretty upset and uncomfortable with this whole situation (c’mon he must be!
)Isn’t it somewhat strange that the explanation from Jimmy was up on the official JCC site and nothing on SP’s for a couple of days?
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yeah, i’m afraid there is more to this story too Arthur
There are 3 styles of music that have the ugly ability to make me nervous, angry, mad, making me want to destroy things and I’m getting itchy on places where I can not reach. And more of the likes, you get the picture. Those 3 are jazz, classical music (Bach, Beethoven, and that bullshit) and opera. Opera even makes me puke also.
[/quote:3lh5hrc9] and you bastard!
the first type of music i liked when i was little was actually classical and opera, esp. Russian. i use to listen to it on the little radio i got from my Grandma one year when i was small. needless to say i was a weird kid. -
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wow that 2nd article has some mean comments posted by people.
Billy needs to get a song out ASAP and shove it up the asswipes asses..
sorry I am just so sick of the damn hate from this…
I love how people are hating and then when he makes a good song (because he will..It’s BILLY CORGAN of SP-DUH!)..you’ll see them, the fare weather fans come back out and ride his shit like no other…
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yeah i had to quit reading those comments after that second article. i will never understand why people insist on making stupid comments like that when they have no knowledge of the subject they are commenting on. someone said his other band ZUMA wtf is zuma? they don’t have a clue what they are talking about. people just want to be mean, fuck em! i hope billy doesn’t read those horrible comments or at least i hope he doesn’t let them bother him.
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i remain true to my earlier post-
i too agree with Arthur-
BCs response does SEEM to be moving ahead too swift and whatever-
thus: to the outside, maybe, betraying or whatever JC and his ability and leaving-
as per: BC saying he’s not sad….of course BCs very very very sad about it-
but- imagine- these guys have been/were SO close-
this was a long time coming I guess…
so BC has had his reasons to be sad before WE knew about it-
NOW he isn’t anymore-
NOW he’s over the sadness and with JCs blessing, he’s moving ahead, with Kerry producing (maybe even drumming on the demos?!)-
there HAS to be pain on both side and there IS pain I guess-
there’s no bad vibe though-
there’s no sadness though per se-
there’s one friend quitting and doing his thing-
there’s one friend doing his thing and moving along-
both are artists per se and deep down and need to create-
there’s massive respect mutually for sure-
there’s massive loss per se mutually-
and there’s massive refound freedom per se too!-so, just let them be-
let’s see what JCC brings now-
let’s see what TSP brings now-and let’s judge THAT-
the outcome-if that’s sub-par- ok; then we will know more than enough-
for now-
let’s wait and see-
and keep with JCs spirit for the music-
which is the same as Bcs spirit for the music (just watch IAGW again!)-
in passion and commitment-
but JCs heart just wasn’t with the flow and vibe of BCs or TSPs-
shit happens-let’s just see what they put out-
and judge that, shall we?!or do you wanna jump on the Tinted Windows wagon?
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never Tinted Windows…I still don’t understand why that group formed..it sounds like shit!. But girls like Hanson I suppose, and well James and the others needed a hyper active youngin to have attention drawn to their music…because it sucks!
I am very excited to hear what JCC’s album will be like and SP’s new music too! I think the both of them will be doing great things!
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Three of Arthur’s best now we know what’s what:
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Yeah. And good source you had anyway, that person was well informed. Glad you posted it. And sorry to say it here, but JCC’s album doesn’t do anything for me. I’m totally so not in jazz, yekky!
There are 3 styles of music that have the ugly ability to make me nervous, angry, mad, making me want to destroy things and I’m getting itchy on places where I can not reach. And more of the likes, you get the picture. Those 3 are jazz, classical music (Bach, Beethoven, and that bullshit) and opera. Opera even makes me puke also. [/quote:1t6p2m33]hmm Bach and beethoven are cool. at least the beethoven character at sesam street
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I hope Billy doesn’t leave the band.
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Upcoming Thursday (tomorrow already) he will announce that clones, manufactured by Advanced Cell Technology ( http://www.advancedcell.com/press-relea … Human-Eggs ) of Melissa, Jimmy and Lisa will join the band. Then he will leave the band indeed, after having that company create a clone of himself also. The production of this clone of Billy will have some expected flaws, so the only "original" member Jeff Schroeder will be the new singer/songwriter of Smashing Pumpkins. Then, later on in 2009 or in early 2010, Smashing Pumpkins will leave the band. In 2010, summer, all cloned bandmembers will be downloadable for a free private concert in every home worldwide, except for Japan. Billy hates Japanese food and ex-bandmembers with parents from that country, that’s why.Billy’s message in a nutshell…
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I hope Billy doesn’t leave the band.
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In 2010, summer, all cloned bandmembers will be downloadable for a free private concert in every home worldwide, except for Japan. Billy hates Japanese food and ex-bandmembers with parents from that country, that’s why.Billy’s message in a nutshell…
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free shows…wow Billy is becoming so easy -
i have been thinking on recent events, after the whole jimmy message and then the whole tila and billy thing and then this over at hu
http://hipstersunited.com/blog/archives … n-jam.html
it includes a youtube, which i won’t make you watch if you don’t want to, i watched about 47 seconds and thought my brain was gonna fall out my damn ear.
so is billy acting this way, ie: all fucking crazy like why jimmy left maybe? i read all the comments on hu, and if benway is the same one from here (even if not) he made some good points, as did others, and i am really questioning if this is why jimmy left, not just tila, but everything billy has been seen doing lately, and probably for quite some time without the fans really knowing about it all. and jimmy was just tired of it?
what do you think?
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he’s not the Grim Reaper
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He is, I’m afraid, I mean, it’s really Tila calling Billy "the grim reaper" in that video. PMM posted that video on the homepage of sp.com, so it must be worthwhile mentioning for some reason… Fingers crossed it will not be that Tila becomes the next bandmember! -
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we bought the complete set with both seasons and the movie. we are still on season one. i forgot which episode we stopped at last night… i think it was the one where her family went to the cabin. i dont think i saw much of season 2 when it was still on tv. it will all be new to me. i am so glad they decided to make the movie though. it is such a good show, it deserved to have a conclusion (whatever it is) hehehe. i was reading about it on wikipedia one day and said too much, i had to stop reading it because i didn’t want spoilers. they should put a spoiler warning on that!
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Don’t worry about me guys!
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