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Wow, that site is certainly impressive. The bulk of the technical information that I could see was at [url:2h136843]http://www.crimson-ceremony.net/pr3/pressingplants/index.html[/url:2h136843], which is great for anything with an IFPI number, but I have many discs that lack one. Also, I have discs with codes that are unidentified, such as L0 (?!? – appears on European and US discs) and L1 (somewhere in Japan). Still, thanks for the link Sickboy.
Hmm, and I just noticed it has lots of info about vinyl too. I haven’t even started to think about matrix codes on vinyl yet, and perhaps that’s better left for another thread and another time.
They already played Translucent, which I have to say is about as unexpected as anything they’ve ever played! That being said, this thread seems to have a consensus for the harder rocking songs, and I must concur. Bury Me would be awesome, a nice long Siva would be pretty sweet, and I totally agree with Fez who said Geek USA and Ruby. Of the more esoteric songs, I don’t know, they already played Set the Ray to Jerry which is one of my favorite SP songs ever but I couldn’t really get into the new arrangement. I guess my vote would be for Moleasskiss (I have no idea why they didn’t release that song) or Saturnine.
This is pretty awesome. I was heavily involved with starla.org/SPLRA at their founding ’98 when nobody knew who they were or gave a damn, and after a while I didn’t think either site would make it. It’s very nice to see that everyone (including SPfreaks!) has done well for themselves and are all getting along. Congratulations!
Anyway, then we can safely say the UK releases were made by Nimbus in the UK, and the same story for US Nimbus releases, which have been manufactured in the US. The other way round wouldn’t make sense I guess. Agree?[/quote:2wybex87]
I do agree. I’m glad that things are back to being as simple as I thought they were
ok, but what exactly is the "1-3-3-NL" referring to? the place where it was made or what (copy of the) master that was used?
i know you’re only suggesting, but i think if they can make cds in the netherlands and then make them say "made in italy", they could as well use a dutch master to make cds in italy.
unfortunately i don’t know much about cd pressing, masters or matrix codes or numbers that are added (such as 1-1-3), so i wouldn’t know what to choose.[/quote:3fpc1bpp]
Oh man, this is making my head hurt…
Here’s what I know about the 1-1-3 type numbers:
-The first number is the version of the main master CD that all others are made from. As I understand it there is usually only one of these, made by the mastering studio for the pressing plant to use. (Probably needs its own thread: consider that the remastered Gish is 2-x-x, and consider also that the 2nd pressing Peel Sessions is 2-x-x.)
-The second number is the version of the copy from the main master. These are the "masters" for the pressing plant. I believe there can be multiples of these that share the same number. Note that you almost never see "1-2-x," this is because they would only do a second run of these if there was a problem with the first run.
-The third number, if I understand things correctly, is some sort of identifier for the "masters" that directly create the CDs you purchase. This explains why most singles never get above 1-1-3 or so but my copy of Mellon Collie is 1-1-29. My guess is that this vaguely represents how many CDs they are making, such that all the masters at this level are being used simultaneously to press CDs. For what it’s worth, I bought a copy of Machina on the first day and it’s 1-1-1, but I got a commercial copy of Greatest Hits+Judas 0 ten days early and it’s 1-1-23.
I strongly believe that the "NL" suffix means the CD was pressed in Holland. My copies of the NL 1979, NL 1979 Mixes, and NL Tonight Tonight singles all have that suffix.
Note that a lot of this pressing info wreaks havoc on releases from smaller countries. From what I can tell, sometimes CDs are pressed at a large plant (Israeli issues seem to come from the UK), sometimes CDs are pressed locally (Argentinian issues seem to come from Argentina, or somewhere else local), and sometimes it’s really hard to tell (Canada is a big mess).
I have no idea what the requirements for saying "made in xxx country" on your CD are. Maybe it means that the CD itself was made in xxx country, or maybe it means that only the packaging (liners, cases, etc) was made in xxx country, or maybe it even means that the CD was just shrinkwrapped in xxx country. Maybe it’s different in different countries!
Did I mention that my head hurts?
hbent, where did you read that, about the Nimbus US and UK CD production plants? [/quote:1i6jgv7n]
From the link above, third paragraph: \"Expansion was rapid, with additional CD manufacturing plants in Cwmbran and Virginia, USA, in 1986 and 1987.\"
Yes, we are getting really detailed here. I definitely have too much time on my hands
[url:40evzbzi]http://www.optical-disc.com/nimbushistory.htm[/url:40evzbzi] has solved, in a rather ugly way, the Nimbus problem. Turns out Nimbus had locations in the US AND the UK, so \"MASTERED BY NIMBUS\" really can’t be counted on to give geographical information. Sigh. Though I am now tempted to think that the 1st pressing US Lull is 100% US.
BTW, EMI JAX being in the US means that the 2nd pressing I Am One single is also a 100% US release. There may be more corrections to be made based on the location of JAX but I haven’t sat down to check through them. Here’s a link for EMI SWINDON: [url:40evzbzi]http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/news/032002/08/emi.shtml[/url:40evzbzi]. Anything made there is definitely UK. EMI UDEN is NL, and I think that covers the EMI plants.
I’m presuming they all were pressed in the UK because the matrixcode MASTERED BY NIMBUS and EMI JAX both indicate that. Do you agree?[/quote:vuw5g9t9]
Actually, according to [url:vuw5g9t9]http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?s=9cad50047d809f5877bcbb4e8e558183&p=1013969&postcount=132[/url:vuw5g9t9] EMI JAX is in Jacksonville, Florida, USA. I’m torn about Nimbus – they are definitely a UK company, but if we think that all \"MASTERED BY NIMBUS\" CDs are from the UK then we have to assume that 1st pressing US Gish ([url:vuw5g9t9]http://www.spfreaks.com/Default.aspx?page=COLLDETAILS&item=266[/url:vuw5g9t9]) was also made in England, which seems possible but unlikely. I’ll try and do some research about Caroline/Virgin/Nimbus soon.
At first I was thinking the US first pressing was a UK pressing AND UK release, as it might had something to do with changing labels in 1991 (from Caroline to Virgin) and I think I remember some CDs or vinyl needed to be repressed under the new label (Gish?) but I couldn’t find it back on such short notice. Maybe 1 of you knows what I mean… For the moment I leave it like it is now, until we know more. Agree?[/quote:vuw5g9t9]
I agree that the 1st two should be left as-is for now, but I think the US second pressing is entirely a US release.
