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[Tree_Spirit]

Why would they not release a physical release in the US?[/quote:3n7nx2rf]
They have a deal with iTunes to release it as an iTunes exclusive. This means only iTunes can release it in the US.

I think that’s really stupid, but if you read that article, Billy says that "it just felt right"…

"I had written a bunch of material during the residencies in Asheville and San Francisco [earlier this year]," continues Billy, "and fans kept asking us if we were gonna put any of that stuff out. iTunes came to us wanting to do something together, so it just felt right."[/quote:3n7nx2rf]

Just like the exclusive Zeitgeist releases with bonus tracks: Billy doesn’t seem to think this is screwing over the fans who want all the extra songs, he thinks about it as if it’s a new and fresh thing to do in today’s music industry. (That’s what he says in one of those Zeitgeist interview videos. He’s talking about "what track will we give to what store") He’s completely lost it, if you ask me.[/quote:3n7nx2rf]

I don’t really think Billy and the use of itunes and releasing music this way as *screwing over the fans*because he knows lot of Sp fan base is via the internet in the first place.There are some places in all honesty that pumpkins music dont reach.Only way to reach some fans are via the net.Like here,finding a smashing pumpkins album or songs is like finding a four leaf clover,it takes luck.I never really had a problem with release of music threw itunes.I rather it be released on itunes honestly,these are days of ipod’s and mp.3 player .My ipod holds 7500 songs,i would love them all to be Pumpkins songs..;P

[Tree_Spirit]

That’s really great news ,Spfreaks moving forward is good to hear!!!!!

[Tree_Spirit]

I believe in only one god aka one higher power,he is the only one.Even tho he goes by many names in many tongues and langauges.

As we Chrsitians see it,and also it is the First& Second Commandment

Exodus 20:4 \"

1 And God spake all these words, saying,

2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6 And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments..

And I know where this debate is head as i post this,but i’m prepared for it.

[Tree_Spirit]

I really dislike that theres is a limit on a post.Lucky,I copy it before hand.I keep forgetting to push preview.I would lose all that i type.On a side note to this,i’ll try to answer other questions set before me. But I’m not a all knowing being myself.You ask really tough questions Arthur,thank you for that.I like that you make me think,like people that do that.Evil exist in the world because of *free will*. I pretty much type out a big post.Plus soon I’ll have get back to my studies And running a kids website has my hands very much full these days.

Psssst lilkitn…

lilkitn wrote:
Wow, this is turning out to be a great debate, and with no fighting… I’m loving this! <edit> But what I find most impressive is how both sides have agreed to disagree and are peacefully debating their sides. My hat is off to you guys! I think the world leaders could learn so much from this type of discussion. Perhaps then there would finally be peace.[/quote:81ma0b6u]

Thanks for the compliment.I’m not here to fight or insult.Just have a debate with someone I respect.When you have respect,nothing that you can’t accomplish with other person ,as I see it.Also,the question of empirical evidence is an honest one.That you have really be in search of Truthful answers by using evidence,and not being close hearted also.

Arthur wrote:Thank you. This is a BIG compliment. You know… Religion divides, but Billy binds. Cool[/quote:81ma0b6u]

I believe Billy could bind almost anyone,in any social or cultural group together.We all think he is REALLY A AWESOME PERSONALITY.

[Tree_Spirit]

So, how practical is Christianity? The Bible presents an infinite Creator with the very attributes we would expect when we examine the things that are made. And God, as a personal Being, in order that He might have a love relationship with us, gave us the capacity of choice. In order that we might have a practical revelation of His love, His wisdom, His power, His glory, He became one of us in the person of the Messiah, Jesus Christ.

In order that we might not suffer the penalty of our evil choices (sin), He, like a loving father, paid the penalty for our sins. He allowed his only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, to be murdered on a Roman cross (arguably the most evil act in the history of the universe, if He is indeed God’s Son). But this act of great evil gave rise to an even better state of affairs, and the greatest act of love in the universe: paying the penalty for the wrong choices we make, which were the result of the way He created us in the first place! In the cross of Christ He has provided a full pardon from the consequences of the evil in our lives. Consequently, we cannot look to God and declare that He is unfair. Far from being a devil, in this examination of the problem of evil, God becomes the hero of the plot and the solution to the problem of evil. And it all hinges on LOVE. Indeed, God is love. What must we do to receive this pardon?

For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.John 3:16

If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.Romans 10:9

[Tree_Spirit]

Ok,I’ll address one topic at a time

-religion = war, rape, slavery & murder on an extreme scale .

The question implies that if a good God exists, then evil shouldn’t because God being all powerful should stop it. This question has been asked sp many of times.Why God allows,
extreme evil,in the name of religion.Or extreme evil period.

We need to ask and answer two questions. First, what is evil? It is that which is against God. It is anything morally bad or wrong. It is injurious, depraved, wicked. Some acceptable examples might be murder, rape, stealing, lying, and cheating. Second, if we want God to stop evil do we want Him to stop all evil or just some of it? In other words, if just some of it then why? If He were to stop only part of the evil, then we would still be asking the question, \"Why is there evil in the world?\".

Let’s suppose that someone was about to commit murder. God would have to stop him, maybe whisper in his ear, or if that didn’t work do something a little more drastic like have something fall on him, or stop his heart, or make his hands suddenly fall off. Anyway, God would have to do something.

What if somebody wanted to steal? God would have to stop him too, right? Undoubtedly, God’s imagination would permit a more practical method than I have suggested, but the end results would be the same.

What about lying? If someone were to tell a lie, then to be consistent wouldn’t you want God right there to stop that person from lying? After all, He couldn’t let any evil occur could He?

Let’s take it a step further. Suppose someone thought something evil. Then, of course, God would have to step in and prevent him from thinking anything bad at all, right? The end result would be that God could not allow anyone to think freely. Since everyone thinks and no one thinks only pure thoughts, God would be pretty busy and we wouldn’t be able to think. Anyway, at what point do we stop, at the murder level, stealing level, lying level, or thinking level? As your questions implies, if you want God to stop evil, you would have to be consistent and want Him to do it everywhere all the time, not just pick and choose. It wouldn’t work.

Evil is in this world partly because we give it its place but ultimately because God, in His sovereignty, permits it and keeps it under His control.

Then you might say, \"Couldn’t He just make us perfect and that way we wouldn’t sin?\" He already did that. He made a perfect angel, Satan, but he sinned. He made a perfect man, Adam, and he sinned. He made a perfect woman, Eve, and she sinned. God knows what He is doing. He made us the way we are for a purpose. We don’t fully understand that purpose, but He does.

1. God is sovereign; He has the right to do as He wishes. He has the right to permit evil for accomplishing His ultimate will. How can He do that? Simple, look at the cross. It was by evil means that men lied and crucified Jesus. Yet God in His infinite wisdom used this evil for good. It was on the cross that Jesus bore our sins in His body (see 1 Peter 2:24) and it is because of the cross that we can have forgiveness of sins.
2. Consider the biblical example of Joseph in the Old Testament. He was sold into slavery by his brothers. Though they meant it for evil, God meant it for good (See Genesis 50:20). God is so great that nothing happens without His permission, and in that permission His ultimate plan unfolds. In His plan He is able to use for good what man intends for evil. God is in control.

[Tree_Spirit]

we know we only use 30% of our brains[/quote:1hbz9n9h]

I have to agree with this quote in general, when comes to paradoxes or unanswered question.Mankind does not have the power of a omniscient GOD ,that is a all knowing GOD.Somethings are not in our ream of our understanding. Because we are not all knowing beings,we only use 30% of our brains..Man has tried over and over,to present him self as a omniscient being.But only to his own selfish ego.Only God himself has answer to the unanswered we do not have the wisdom or knowledge that God has.To be able to do so.

God is all-knowing (omniscient)
God is all-powerful (omnipotent)
Gods is good.

[Tree_Spirit]

All right, scientist Arthur. Put your chemical faceguard on…

What happens when an unstoppable object comes into contact with an immoveable object?[/quote:b7im7mrd]

I think to Newton’s 3 laws of motion on this.This again is not a scientific logical question.Nothing .comes into mind on this planet is unmovable, but the air we breath.Even tho we can bottle oxygen and move it from place to place.But as far as being able to move it no.It is in the same area as a paradox.

I. Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it.

II. The relationship between an object’s mass m, its acceleration a, and the applied force F is F = ma. Acceleration and force are vectors (as indicated by their symbols being displayed in slant bold font); in this law the direction of the force vector is the same as the direction of the acceleration vector.

III. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

[Tree_Spirit]

So the question remains: What kind of evidence is acceptable to YOU who seek empirical evidence? If you have not decided what evidence would be sufficient and reasonable, then you CANNOT state that there is no evidence for God. If you have decided what evidence is sufficient, what is it? Does Christianity fit within that criterion? If not, why not?

Again, before you answer, think about your criteria. IS IT REASONABLE? Does your criteria put a requirement upon God that is not realistic? Another example: Do you want Him to appear before you in blaze of Glory? Even if that did happen, would you believe He existed or would you consider it a hallucination of some sort or a trick played on you? Not unlike Scrooge who blamed seeing Jacob Marleys ghost on “A bit of undigested beef”. Once more I ask you…HOW WOULD YOU KNOW???

Objectivity is difficult for most people. If you have a presupposition that God does not exist or that the miraculous cannot occur, can you or would you objectively examine the evidence that is presented? If you cannot objectively examine the evidence, the presuppositions you hold regarding the miraculous may (most likely would) prevent you from recognizing evidence for God’s existence.

These are tough questions for those whose presuppostions do not allow for intellectual honesty. However, if one is truly going to define the search for Truth honestly, these questions MUST be addressed objectively.

As always, thank you all for the respectful debating!! The question of empirical evidence is an honest one. I only pray those who seek it are honest with themselves when seeking it.

[Tree_Spirit]

I’LL ASK THIS BEFORE YOU ALL,please read post in full before answering?:)
\"What evidence is required\" or\"What do YOU REQUIRE to believe?\"I would like to start there first. And really see that people want actually look at evidence from past historical proof.Plus,I fine quiet interesting,also to see the answers to the questions, at hand put before you.

If you require that God appear before you and speak in an audible voice would that then be sufficient? Perhaps take a Polaroid at Cracker Barrel with Biscuit Ben holding a can of Black Cherry Shasta Cola replete with autograph for the family scrapbook? If God (ANY god for that matter) did make himself known to you in personal appearance would you wholeheartedly believe never to question again?

Honestly, the so-called \"celebrity\" showing of God Almighty is really quite rare. Like with any celebrity their showing to everyone is rare.I’ve personality never meet BillY Corgan:P If GOD did make an empirical display to you, would you then require a physical examination since schizophrenics are well known for audible, visual and tactile hallucinations? Would you expect others to believe it? Or perhaps expect God to make Himself known to all doubters currently living? The question that is at hand is \"HOW WOULD YOU KNOW without a reasonable doubt?\" Speaking of the God of the bible, Is it reasonable to expect Him to make a once in a life time appearance to YOU personally?Not even living celebrities of today,do that. What about all the other doubters?

Is your request REASONABLE is also the question at hand.Because when answering or asking any questions about GOD,you have to look at the Nature of God and how he also goes about things in general and be logical in it.

Is there evidence of past historical events that seem to often go unquestioned yet for which you were not present? Of Course. Do you question the existence of George Washington though you cannot KNOW him? Even outside the Bible there are accounts for Jesus. Well even if you think this is an over-simplistic answer, so to for George Washington. George Washinton’s signature exists, but do you KNOW that it is his signature? No, you don’t KNOW. You TRUST the evidence you have been given and the words of others that have TOLD you it is authentic. And that is sufficient proof for you is it not?

Even now I can hear some of the responses….\"if one were to accomadate your stipulation one would have to throw out every historical document known and may as well put forth the theory that Mickey Mouse created the Universe using his magic wand two thousand years ago.\" And you would be correct. My postulate would require every historical document known to be dismissed. My point is to offer that if you are to require certain empirical evidence as proof for one event, then you must assume the same criterion for all events in question. Again, you MUST be intellectual honest and hold the same standard of proof for God’s existence, the Bible etc…that you do for ALL the proofs you may seek in the context of historical evidences. Are you willing to do that?

Also keep in mind that NO single being (except God) can know ALL evidence. Just because YOU do not see convincing evidence it is still possible that evidence exists that proves God’s existence, or at least supports His existence. Because you cannot know ALL evidence pro or con, we can say that it is at least POSSIBLE that God exists can we not?

Conversely, it is possible that there is no evidence at all for God. BUT! This cannot be stated absolutely, since all evidence would need to be known to show there is no evidence. Therefore, since any one person cannot know ALL evidence, it is possible that evidence exists that supports God’s existence. That is logical isn’t it?

[Tree_Spirit]

Question to Tree_Spirit:

Can your almighty creator create a stone he cannot lift?

Think of it… No christian ever could answer this question to me so far.[/quote:1efzd2me]

Thats a paradox, not a real theological problem.But I’ll address it to what i can.
Let me ask you this then.Stop and think about how illogical that question is.Then I’ll ask you my question.Now we are looking at GOD as real now so to speak.And I’ve seen this question ask so many times.So many debates over it also.This question ,is one that is used in certain circles to try to discredit God’s"power"and trying to place a limitation onto God’s power.We all as believer’s know, God has only one limitation that he cannot lie or do evil.

Can God make two plus two equal six?

This is a question which is frequently asked by skeptics and by children. We reply by asking how much power it would take to bring about this result. The absurdity of the question is not too difficult to see. Would the power of a ton of dynamite make two plus two equal six? Or the power of an atom bomb? Or of a hydrogen bomb? When these questions are asked it is readily seen that the truth of the multiplication tables is not in the realm of power. Power has nothing to do with it. When we assert that God is omnipotent, we are talking about power. In the discussion of the infinite, eternal, and unchangeable truth of God we shall show that truth is of the very essence of His character but not in the realm of power; and we shall consider those Scriptures which plainly declare that ‘it is impossible for God to lie’ (Heb. 6:18)

Most of the "paradoxes" commit this same basic error. Even those that seem to deal with "power" such as "Can God create an immovable stone" are actually asking if God can bring about a logically contradictory state of affairs. The answer is no, but it does not show that God does not have infinite power or that God cannot do with power anything that power can do. Power cannot bring into being a contradictory state of affairs.

God is omnipotent and omniscient. You can’t get much more powerful than that. God’s power is therefore absolute.God can decide to do anything. God can then change His mind and undo it all so that He never did it in the first place. God can tell the truth.Since God’s power is absolute, his power isn’t even limited by Time, Probability, or Logic, because it all flows from Him in the first place. He is indeed the alpha and the omega; everything between and everything beyond.

Thanks for debate as always!
stay kwel!

[Tree_Spirit]

The human brain…simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of computer mouse in your hand. Your brain registers emotional responses, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.

The human brain processes more than a million messages a second. Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. A brain that deals with more than a million pieces of information every second, while evaluating its importance and allowing you to act on the most pertinent information…can we say mere chance brought about such an astounding organ?

When NASA launches a shuttle mission, it is assumed a monkey didn’t write the plan, but intelligent and knowledgeable minds. How does one explain the existence of the human brain? Only a mind more intelligent and knowledgeable than humanity could have created the human brain.

This doesn’t even begin to scratch the surface,that things were created by a designer.If you actually sit and think about how complex we are as human beings .We are to unique just happen randomly and so is are universe.

[Tree_Spirit]

Outside this board I had a pretty cool discussion with someone about this subject the last few days. It was a long time ago I talked so intense & detailed about it. [/quote:1r89d9wg]

I wonder who that person was *whistles lightly*
I still need to reply to you Arthur,time so restrict me lately.
I enjoy and look forward to chats with ya .You’re one awesomely kwel non-believer..lol..Wish I could change that😛

I think anyone that knows me,knows I’m a very *Religious*person.I personally believe that the complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today. Many examples showing God’s design could be given, possibly with no end. But here are a few:

The Earth…its size is perfect. The Earth’s size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth’s surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter. Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.

The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth’s position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.

And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet it restrains our massive oceans from spilling over across the continents.

Water…colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You’ll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:

It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.

Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.

Water is also chemically inert. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.

Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.

Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.

Ninety-seven percent of the Earth’s water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.

[Tree_Spirit]

I believe there will be more singles to come.I wouldn’t expect nothing less from Billy.Why wouldn’t you think he wouldn’t release more?I mean creative person he is,i say ,there be more to come.I don’t think he just stop creating song because he on tour.So wouldn’t shock me see more singles release.Well i pray there be more

[Tree_Spirit]

Yes the quote is in the Walk to remember movie,love that movie by the way.
It is took from Bible 1 Corinthians 13:4-8

“Love is always patient and kind; it is never jealous, love is never boastful or conceited; it is never rude or selfish; it does not take offense, and is not resentful. Love takes no pleasure in other people’s sins but delights in the truth; it is always ready to excuse, to trust, to hope, and to endure whatever comes. Love does not come to an end.”

Don’t no one freak out i said bible .. lol..I’m not trying to lead the topic to there:lol:

toad32r wrote:
BC is gonna be on next seasons \"THe Bachelor\" TV Show…lol

That would be beyond funny.I don’t think BC would ever do that.

[Tree_Spirit]

Wow…this is still a on going topic,I’m shocked.I will *NEVER* believe he is married to VC.Until he admits to it.He has firmly said he is single.

If he is married to her,i truly feel sorry for him.She is one attention seeking person,after fame..Billy has always tried to keep that part of his life out of the spot light in the pass.Even refusing to talk about it ,from interviews,I’ve seen from him on the subject.I’m sorry,if i was so called married to him,I don’t see the point of keeping it a secret here this long.I could see it,at first.Second why would you want to be married to a man that denies you in the first place.And firmly states to the females in Philly he looking for a women..lol

By the way,I’d take a date with hahahaha jk..maybe

There nothing really to gain or lose here.Does any of us care that he is married or not?Doesn’t change the way i feel about Billy Corgan,period.It makes no since to hide this from the public.It’s why I feel, it’s all lies here.Most time when you keep a secret,you feel there going to be some kind of negative repercussions.In this case,I really don’t see none.Only thing I see is fans,making Billy’s personal life a gossip topic to keep our minds busy.I think Billy has quiet enough on him,for us fans to be piling more on him.Plus giving fuel to the flame also.

Only negative repercussions I see is that VC, is looking like a nut stalker and fans are concerned about that.We all have seen fans go to far.I do believe VC is one of them.I will believe Billy is single,until Billy says other wise.If VC is lurking she should be ashamed of herself really.Because like i said I don’t believe it,that she married to him.If she was ,she should be ashamed of the issues she is causing and stop what she doing.Because if she did love Billy,she wouldn’t put him in this kind of spotlight in the first place and burden on him,how selfish.

“Love is always patient and kind; it is never jealous, love is never BOASTFUL or CONCEITED; it is never rude or SELFISH; it does not take offense, and is not resentful.

I like to know what this statement is about?
He is married to Veronica Grey.

[Tree_Spirit]

What year did you fall in love with the Pumpkins? 2005

Who is your favorite member of The Smashing Pumpkins?: Billy Corgan…without a doubt. WHen he leads something he succeeds in it.Like the natural leader that he is.

What is your favorite lineup of the band? I have loved them all, as long as Billy is there.

What is your all time favorite album?: I can’t decide – Siamese Dream

What is your all time favorite song?: just one? Believe, Blew away,Stand inside your love, Thru the Eyes of Ruby, Real love

What is your all time favorite video?: that’s the way(my love is)

What is your favorite song from the album ‘Gish’?: daydream

What is your favorite song from the album ‘Siamese Dream’?:soma

What is your favorite song from the album ‘Pisces Iscariot’?: Blew away

What is your favorite song from ‘Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness’?: just one?Thirty-Three,Galapogos,Zero,In the arms of sleep

What is your favorite song from ‘Adore’?: Beautiful

What is your favorite song from ‘Machina: The Machines of God’?:Stand Inside Your Love –

Machina 2? Home

Favorite Zeitgeist song?Death from above

What is your favorite b-side/rarity?: Ugly

What is your most prized Pumpkins possession? Billy Corgan’s Blinking With Fists

Have you ever seen the Smashing Pumpkins in concert..? No gosh I wish..one of my biggest dreams to see them live

Have you ever seen Billy Corgan solo in concert?: No, sadly not.I wish to so much.I admire him so much.

Have you ever met any members of the band? no

How many Smashing Pumpkins CDs do you own?: 8..ty amazon.where i live it’s hard to even get pumpkin cd’s

How many Smashing Pumpkins boxed sets do you own?:none

How many Smashing Pumpkins t-shirts do you own?: 2 -both are zero t-shirts

How many Smashing Pumpkins posters do you own?:none:(

How many Smashing Pumpkins dvds do you own?: none

Have you ever named a pet after a member of the band?:no

Have you ever named a pet after one of their songs?: no

Have you ever named your child after a member of the band? No kids

Have you ever named your child after one of their songs?: Not, yet. But sure the name William Patrick or Billy will come up jk.... maybe

Do you have any Smashing Pumpkins related tattoos?: No

Do you own Billy Corgan’s solo album?: Yes

Do you own James Iha’s solo album?: no

Do you own Melissa Auf Der Maur’s solo album: no.

Do you own ‘Mary, Star of the Sea’, by Zwan?: no

Have you ever seen Zwan in concert?: No

Have you read ‘Blinking With Fists’, by Billy Corgan?: Yes, many times.Loved his poetry book<3

Do you own ‘Life Begins Again’, by the Jimmy Chamberlin Complex?: No

Do you like A Perfect Circle just because James Iha is now in the band?: No.

Have you seen the Zeitgeist tour? How many times? no ,but want to badly.

[Tree_Spirit]

I know who nightwish is ,like the song I wish i had an angel.Marco Hietala reminds me of Ted Nugent.With all that long hair ..lol

[Tree_Spirit]

i can’t believe you’re still discussing this.
the best approach, in my opinion, is ignoring everything, without an exception.
don’t give it any attention; because that’s probably all they want.[/quote:1t19vphx]

thank you cool.gossip should die and the topic.it’s to the point it’s over.

[Tree_Spirit]

Ya agreed,i wouldnt be on here if i was married to him.I think i would be fining way many other things to do

[Tree_Spirit]

Ok i just want ever one to know,since gossip is truth everyone want to feed the beast to this.

I MARRIED BILLY CORGAN JUST 5 MINS AGO!!!!!!!!!!!! Him and I are so much in love,it’s unbelievable..I’m so happy,i have no pic’s or nothing to prove it .I swear i married him!!!!!!!!! Ok should I put up a marriage Diary,youtube channel and a myspace Jenii Corgan..ok let see hmm ..rofl

Ok now how silly does the above sound?Why are we still on it,Billy has repeatedly has said he single.It’s kind of over.

[Tree_Spirit]

Way to go, kids.

No lollipops for anyone. Sorry.[/quote:28ynfnky]

That’s ok cool.I don’t eat candy much

[Tree_Spirit]

I dont want to pm you or talk to you.Or debate you either or anthing other wise after insulting me thanks.It’s ended.Have a day .

[Tree_Spirit]

Other bands let see.I’m more of old school person and Christian.
CCR
Boston
Blue Oyster Cult
RED
Kutless
P.O.D
Blue Tree
12 stones
Queen
Journey

[Tree_Spirit]

Bravo and i can tell your age to.I say a kid.If your not, boy that’s sad.

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