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Did any watch it?
I did and I felt like McCain was trying to use his scare tactics towards the end to get that vote…
I think he blew this one..lol
old fashioned tactics are not going to work, they haven’t worked for us and why would they still. Look at our country..sure it’s great, but it could be greater like it once was…a long time ago……… -
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yeah..I’m way excited to see him turn her upside down..I bet she get flustered..LOL
Biden’s gonna rip her to shreds, like the Bush administration did to the financial institution of this country
ooh excitementDidn’t McCain seem like he was trying to scare people though with the terror and war stuff? It was like he was talking on the side whispering evil nonsense….I was laughing at it…
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yeah McCain was being a bit much. i especially liked the \"he just doesn’t understand\" comment he kept making and his comments about Putin- made me laugh.
\"when i stare into his eyes i just see K-G-B\"
and i predict Palin will run off in tears as she is going to get thrashed.
did you see her Katie Couric interview? it was so bad i was embarrassed for her. she knows nothing and all she did was stutter and try to pull something out of the air.
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biden is a fuck up, hillary would have been better, it would have been a slam dunk that way. biden can’t keep his dumb comments to himself. he must have been watching too much tv during the depression, killed his brain cells.
if he says the wrong thing in the debate people will like sara palin better, her numbers go up every time they say something bad about her. you think they would learn.
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I think it’s funny how they tend to shun her from the media..she’s very limited in the media right now. My guess is she isn’t done reading their script they forwarded to her. I hope none of the questions are screened because of her lack of experience. Then she is screwed…lol
[/quote:3je87hxr]oh yeah
and it is true- the only time she can give a speech is when she is given a speech by someone else to read.
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Sarah Palin is a fucking retard.
John McCain is not. I thought he did EXTREMEMLY well in the first debate. Many of the ideas/statements he made, I had a hard time finding fault with.
On the other hand, I felt Obama wasn’t attacking very much and not representing the Democratic base very well.
I saw the first debate as a draw.
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Sarah Palin is a fucking retard.
John McCain is not. I thought he did EXTREMEMLY well in the first debate. Many of the ideas/statements he made, I had a hard time finding fault with. [/quote:2op7xsej]
seriously- "lets freeze ALL government spending except defense and veterans benefits"- hatchet plan if you ask me. that will fix things.
On the other hand, I felt Obama wasn’t attacking very much and not representing the Democratic base very well.
I saw the first debate as a draw.[/quote:2op7xsej]
and on the Obama front i think he did a good job linking McCain to Bush’s policies
i will agree it was close though
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well they do agree on some things, but there are policies they don’t agree on.
Did anyone see the Chris Rock show on HBO last night-funny ass shit talking about the election…
Also I think one of the biggest concerns is that McCain will croak and Palin will take over.
So here’s a funny one from last night
Palin is out killing moose and why is Michael Vick in jail
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mc cain has been slipping in the polls and had more on the line going into the debate. whereas obama had the momentum and played the role more of getting himself out there and trying to let the audience know who he is and what he specifically is going to do. thats been his biggest struggle. obama scored huge when he looked directly at mc cain and pointed at him and railed on him for iraq. i thought that was badass. and he also looked directly at the camera at times. another plus. he called out mc cain on his blantant lies that hes been saying on taxes. im glad he got to do that. however, mc cain was more on offense and obama played more defense. which i think gave the advantage to mc cain. however, you can see how mc cains jabs back didnt go over well with the people giving their reactions at the bottom of the screen, and that there was no eye contact from mc cain the entire time. people wont like that. mc cain needed to hit a home run at this debate. a debate, where for half of the time, it was about his supposed specialty of foreign ploicy. i think its a win for obama. and lastly, obama kept repeating the line \"john is right\" because i believe he was trying to show the american people trhat he is willing to accept when a republican has a good idea and bring out the spirit of unity. can you tell im a democrat?
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mc cain has been slipping in the polls and had more on the line going into the debate. whereas obama had the momentum and played the role more of getting himself out there and trying to let the audience know who he is and what he specifically is going to do. thats been his biggest struggle. obama scored huge when he looked directly at mc cain and pointed at him and railed on him for iraq. i thought that was badass. and he also looked directly at the camera at times. another plus. he called out mc cain on his blantant lies that hes been saying on taxes. im glad he got to do that. however, mc cain was more on offense and obama played more defense. which i think gave the advantage to mc cain. however, you can see how mc cains jabs back didnt go over well with the people giving their reactions at the bottom of the screen, and that there was no eye contact from mc cain the entire time. people wont like that. mc cain needed to hit a home run at this debate. a debate, where for half of the time, it was about his supposed specialty of foreign ploicy. i think its a win for obama. and lastly, obama kept repeating the line \"john is right\" because i believe he was trying to show the american people trhat he is willing to accept when a republican has a good idea and bring out the spirit of unity. can you tell im a democrat?
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ok, i don’t agree with either canidate totally, but when obama says he will have a tax cut for 95% of americans it is not the whole truth. he wants to take money from the rich and give it to everyone else. rich to him is 250,000. to me yes that is alot of money, but if i worked hard to earn it and you want to take it away to give to others who did not earn it in any way, how is that right? it isn’t.
also i am looking for the site with all the votes too, for info for manilla and for other things i would like to know, when i do find it i will post his voting record and how many days he has actually been working.
like i said before hillary was the better choice. i am a democrat, but this shit just ain’t flying for me. i am most likely not going to vote this year for pres. but i am not gonna think obama is some great wind of change just because all of the news outlets make him out to be, he is becoming like all the others, a big talker.
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i agree that obama is making promises he isn’t going to be able to keep. but so is mc cain. whether either candidate likes it or not, for at least their first year in office, their attention is going to have to be focused on the $700 billion bailout. monitering it, understanding it, and modifying it. hilary would have had my vote on supertuesday hands down, had obama not been in this race. the reason he got my vote is that he’s younger and in my opinion sees more on my level how the system is broken in so many ways. he’s a fresh face to me. for the most part, im pretty sure hilary and obama were very much on the same page on virtually every issue. the big difference obviously is how they voted on the iraq war. im with obama on that issue. the war should have never have happened. other than that, to me, they’re the same candidate. please point out some more differences, if you happen to know any more. if obama had picked hilary as his running mate, i believe this race would be over. however, the republicans scared obama into thinking he would lose the election based on his lack of foregin policy experience, and he went with biden to take care of that. then the republicans pick palin. they picked her to try to grab just enough of the hilary vote by making their own case for making history by having a pit bull, ultra conservative, hockey mom vp in office and to bring out their own stance for change. i think it was a smart move at first. but now luckily the country seems to be seeing who sara palin really is. and how its all puppetry with the republicans. im a middle class individual. so, with either candidate, im not going to be recieving any tax benefits. so i dont really care if the rich are going to hae to be paying more in taxes. when im a millionaire, then i’ll become a republican. lol
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I don’t know I have been middle class & poor and if I had $ I wouldn’t mind some of my $$ helping out people like me if I ever had $$ to do it. If I could do more right now I so would ,but my charity giving is pretty limited to about 100 bucks or so a year…beyond what they take for taxes…
As for Hillary and Obama yeah they pretty much have the same views…
If McCain gets in we will go further downhill than where we all our currently at..It won’t affect the rich, but it will affect us middle and lower class people.
As for the shitty bailout
I think it sux we have to pay the tab for this when most are already hurting…take take take with nothing to give. It’s not our fault the private companies fucked up their finances. -
its true, we didn’t fuck up, corporate america did. royally. however, we need this bailout. right now WE’RE not hurting (supposedly), but if we dont bailout these companies, things are very sure to trickle down to becoming our problem. i think that’s a guarantee. im glad they’ve put in conditions on this bailout. suchas, since the government is going to be taking over on these companies financial woes, its going to allow the government to be able to buy stocks from these companies, and if there is any money made off the purchasing of those stocks, the profits will go directly to taxpayer. there’s other stuff too, but i can’t recall anymore.
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yes, but there is a possibility that they will screw us even though it suppose to help us tax payers later…something will come up for us to be put on hold for some reason or another..I hope not, but it’s the government and when do they really honestly give a rats ass about us-the people…
so I hope to God it works..
Now not sure if anyone read the email that was floating around about how the government should have gave that bail out $$ to the people which could have been over $200,000 a person/household (over18) and some of us could have paid our mortgages off and we could cough of the $$ to these companies…
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the government will never pay off our mortgages for us. how can they?
if they did, i’d be pissed as fuck, because i still live in an apartment for this sole reason:
i can’t afford a house.
so those who bought a house and can’t afford it get bailed out, while i still need a fucking house!!!!! god i’d be pissed!!!!
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That email has to be a hoax. Paying off everyone’s mortgages would be impossible.
I have trouble blaming the gov’t in this, since from what I understand, most of this stems from people defaulting on mortgages and home loans. Sorry, but if you make $40,000 a year, you shouldn’t be accepting a $400,000 loan just because the banks offer it to you. People need to take responsibility of their own actions; not take the loan, default, then blame the government.
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I was under the impression that this \"Bailout\" was not yet certain to happen, am I wrong on that?
My 2 cents on the whole thing as Johnny Foreigner is that
A: Obama is certainly the candidate of the 2 that would get my vote, though neither impress me all that much, the last thing the world needs is Bush V2.0
B: This bailout may be a necassary action on the part of the US government, however to simply hand over the money to these private companies is not IMO a good idea. There should be restrictions, assurances and penalties attached to this proposed blank check.
BTW where is this money coming from? Surely if the government had this money to simply throw at the problem, then there was never really an economic crisis to begin with?
My guess is that the most likely sources for the money would be China or Saudi Arabia, not a great idea for any long term solutions if you ask me.
Seeing as the crisis seems to stem from the price of oil (difficult to believe seeing as the US oil prices are pretty much eclipsed by other countries, Western European in particular), perhaps that money would be better spent on reducing the nations dependence upon it?Apologies if my information is wrong/inaccurate
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That email has to be a hoax. Paying off everyone’s mortgages would be impossible.
I have trouble blaming the gov’t in this, since from what I understand, most of this stems from people defaulting on mortgages and home loans. Sorry, but if you make $40,000 a year, you shouldn’t be accepting a $400,000 loan just because the banks offer it to you. People need to take responsibility of their own actions; not take the loan, default, then blame the government.[/quote:iuwt46kj]
very true that people shouldn’t have applied for these loans in the first place.
also true that the companies were very greedy in making these bad loans.
the result is the situation we’re in today.
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I was under the impression that this "Bailout" was not yet certain to happen, am I wrong on that?
My 2 cents on the whole thing as Johnny Foreigner is that
A: Obama is certainly the candidate of the 2 that would get my vote, though neither impress me all that much, the last thing the world needs is Bush V2.0
B: This bailout may be a necassary action on the part of the US government, however to simply hand over the money to these private companies is not IMO a good idea. There should be restrictions, assurances and penalties attached to this proposed blank check.
BTW where is this money coming from? Surely if the government had this money to simply throw at the problem, then there was never really an economic crisis to begin with?
My guess is that the most likely sources for the money would be China or Saudi Arabia, not a great idea for any long term solutions if you ask me.
Seeing as the crisis seems to stem from the price of oil (difficult to believe seeing as the US oil prices are pretty much eclipsed by other countries, Western European in particular), perhaps that money would be better spent on reducing the nations dependence upon it?Apologies if my information is wrong/inaccurate[/quote:1bdfdpi5]
you make some good points.
the bailout was just rejected, and it did have those restrictione you mentioned above. in part, it didnt pass because of the negative connotations with the word "bailout" another reason is that people in congress didnt want to commit to this if it doesnt work cuz they’re all up for re election, and they wouldnt want to lose their seats now, would they? fucking politicians. ive been hearing that if they had called it what it truly is"a rescue plan" people might have been more willing to go for it. i dont think the money is going to come from china or saudi arabia, well actually some from china i believe, but from what i heard the u.s. is just going to print more money, which will weaken the dollar even further. oil prices are priced with the most economically powerful countries currency. right now, its the u.s. dollar. so, oil is going to go up, for shizzle.
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The email was an idea and I am not sure who did it
here is a small breakdown by my hubby -he has the email at workIf you spread out the amount of $$ that they are using to bail out AIG to everyone in the USA that is 18+ years old each person would get about $290,000.00 (after taxes), a couple would get $580,000.00 (after taxes) and that would be enough to bring the economy back around, everyone would have enough to pay off their house and them some and the and the government would get about 60,000,000.00 back in taxes because everyone would have to pay taxes on the amount of money they receive. That would take care of the housing crisis and the economy all at once.
The email breaks it down much better than this, but it’s NOT anything that is being discussed in the government..
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so what did you think of the vp debate, no one commented on it yet.
my comment, they both did a really good job. i didn’t see a clear winner, but palin did step up, and put to rest the comments about how she doesn’t know a thing. she did a good job, but so did biden, i didn’t think that one did better than the other.
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yeah…I was a little thrown from that topic by him.
Not sure if anyone watched it in high def, but they have scorecards on the screen (CNN HD)
according to those he blew her away, but that really doesn’t matter because the commentators were saying she beat him..I thought it was pretty even..he does have that experience over her so they glorified him in that sense, but overall…I wasn’t to thrilled with the debate. -
governor palin just comes across as a cue card reading idiot.
biden comes across experienced and somewhat evil (cheshire cat). but i like what biden had to say. heard it all before, but he spoke \"washington\" very well. palin never tried. she did the ole ross perot, i don’t speak your talk, i’m an outsider. came across pretty GD lame.
they asked her, what will you have to take back, as one of your promises to the american people, given the economic crisis?
she said (paraphrasing, barely), i’ve been in this race, what, 5 weeks? i haven’t promised much.
????? talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
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Yeah, but Biden cited his stance on Bosnia. Uhhh…wasn’t that like, 10 years ago? Pretty sad if the best/most recent example of how you vote is from a decade ago. Just found that funny. Probably 1/3 of the voters in this election hardly remember Bosnia![/quote:1v60srqa]
He also said the past is the prologue. If you bothered to stay up you would have seen this. He also cited other, more recent examples of how he voted. But he has a record of close to 30 years.
This is a plus to some, a negative to others. Just cause he was around during Bosnia, shouldn’t take away from who he is as a candidate.
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governor palin just comes across as a cue card reading idiot.
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Glad I’m not the only one who sees this…
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governor palin just comes across as a cue card reading idiot.
biden comes across experienced and somewhat evil (cheshire cat). but i like what biden had to say. heard it all before, but he spoke "washington" very well. palin never tried. she did the ole ross perot, i don’t speak your talk, i’m an outsider. came across pretty GD lame.
they asked her, what will you have to take back, as one of your promises to the american people, given the economic crisis?
she said (paraphrasing, barely), i’ve been in this race, what, 5 weeks? i haven’t promised much.
????? talk about shooting yourself in the foot.[/quote:2ead8qb7]
AMEN
she was awful. and she wouldn’t answer the questions given to her she would just take the time to answer her own questions- the ones she was probably coached with.
it was beyond sad. Palin could neither give her position or McCain’s for that matter on any subject. and on ABC News they counted and she only mentioned Obama roughly 16 times where Biden talked about McCain a ton. but i guess that’s because she knows as little about her opponents as she knows about her own positions or McCains positions or the names of news magazines or Russia or anything else pertaining to politics or this nation for that matter.
hell, she doesn’t even know what the constitution says about the role of the VP.but on the upside if you want a former beauty queen with pretty hair and a wink and an old fart in the White House- by all means vote McCain/ Palin.
hee haw and on the Biden front- i think the fact that he has established foreign policy experience is a plus. and really- so he was around for Bosnia- i don’t think that makes him dated and irrelevant in the foreign policy game. and if critics are going to claim that- what about McCain? he was around for the Revolution.
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she explained things, and what happened on the katie couric interview. also gretta did a poll and asked if people thought the media was biased against sarah palin, 98% said yes, 2% said no, and gretta said that 2% must be the media’s family members.
also when she was again asked about the supreme court cases she opposed, she said she would never touch roe v. wade. so there people. she is pro life, but not pro women goto back woods dr’s and die, she and mcain just might get my vote. that is a big issue for me. i would never have an abortion, and i would never advise someone to get one, i would advocate adoption, and prevention, but i think everyone should have a right to choose.
and manilla, i am close to finding that info for you, i haven’t forgotten.
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what happened on the Katie Couric interview was that Palin was asked questions she should know, but couldn’t answer them because she doesn’t know what she should given the position she is in.
and honestly to me, i think there are bigger issues than just abortion to consider. the economy and foreign policy for example. this country has gone to hell and i don’t think abortion is the center of that.
and on the supreme court front- i think the big criticism there was that she can’t name any other court case beyond Roe v Wade.
and about abortion- more women would probably go to backwoods doctors if abortions were illegal. at least now they have the option of going to a proper clinic.
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it’s cool. plus, i agree with thier foreign policy, and thier economics, the abortion topic was one that was holding me back from liking them. we need a hard stance on foreing poicy from someone who knows what to do, obama doesn’t, hillary didn’t think so, and i trust her judgement. she said she would be proud to run against mcain, i think she should be. she would have done a better job than obama. am i to much on the hillary train? oh well…………….
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Subject: FW: If You were The Boss… which team would you hire?
I thought this was an interesting way of comparing candidates and worth passing
on —–With America facing historic debt, multiple war fronts, stumbling health care, a
weakened dollar, all-time high prison population, skyrocketing Federal spending,
mortgage crises, bank foreclosures, etc. etc., this is an unusually criticalelection year.
Let’s look at the educational background of the candidates and see what they
bring to the job:Obama:
Occidental College – Two years.
Columbia University – B.A. political science with a specialization in
international relations.Harvard – Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude
Biden:
University of Delaware – B.A. in history and B.A. in political science.
Syracuse University College of Law – Juris Doctor (J.D.)
vs.
McCain:
United States Naval Academy – Class rank 894 out of 899 (meaning that, like
George Bush,McCain was at the bottom of his class)
Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University – 1 semester
North Idaho College – 2 semesters – general study
University of Idaho – 2 semesters – journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College – 1 semester
University of Idaho – 3 semesters – B.A. in journalism
I just got this email today…kind of interesting
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Ok, a bit late for the abortion topic, but oh well.
Even if you’re ‘pro-life’, Palin’s views on abortion are horrifically anti-women.
She is an advocate of refusing abortion in all cases – including in the event of rape and incest. The woman will have to raise that child.
How can anybody support that?
Also, I wouldn’t be surprised (and I think she actually does) if she is an advocate of abstinence only Sex-ed. There has been research that kids who are ‘taught’ that are just as likely to have sex before marriage as those who aren’t. You might as well teach them to put a bit of rubber in between, ffs! It would reduce abortions!
Also, she believes that the earth was created 6000 years ago and that we co-existed with dinosaurs.
WHAT.
THE.
FUCK.
And the scary part is? McCain probably only has a few years left in him.
THIS ABSOLUTE FUCKING MORON COULD BECOME LEADER OF THE MOST POWERFUL COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!
FUUUUUUUCK
I don’t care if you think Obama sucks. Just don’t vote Republican. PLEASE.
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this country has gone to hell and i don’t think abortion is the center of that.
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ROTFL. Really? You honestly believe that? It’s all relative I suppose.[/quote:jngsvgy6]
yup, what i mostly meant though was that abortion shouldn’t be people’s main concern going into this election given the state of the economy and our many entanglements abroad. plus, i’m not all hardcore pro-life. and i’m not pro- killing babies either, but i think people should have the right to decide for themselves, in otherwise have all the options and go from there when it comes to abortion. it might not be for some of us, but it might be the best option for someone esle.
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abortion is not a main factor for the country to get the economy back on it’s feet. It shouldn’t even be something to discuss in politics or the debates-it’s someone’s personal choice-not the governments. If everyone went around saying I am only voting because I don’t agree with abortion, then this country would be over populated, women would be getting coat hanger style abortions..and we would see health issues stemming from practices like that from those abortions. And the sad part is that style is still happening today. I am not fond of the idea of abortions that are performed while 4 & 5 months pregnant and beyond. but those people will have to deal with that decision they made at some point in their life and I am sure it would effect them emotionally later in life. God will teach them that.
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no, but is it an important issue along with all the others. i am really still up in the air who i will vote for, if i even vote for the president. i already know who i am voting for in local politics, and on other issues in my area.
i think both canidates really have to step it up and make the public see why they are the best. but i can still write in hillary, we should so start a write in hillary campaign.
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i was watching it, and they did do a town hall. i was suprised. i only watched part of it, and i am still not to thrilled with obama’s \"tax cuts\". but i didn’t watch the whole thing cause the shield came on, and i DO NOT miss that show for anything.
my friend and i were talking yesterday, she is writing hillary in too. wouldn’t that be awesome if hillary won the presidency in a write in? i think it would be.
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manillascissor for president!
and all the SPfreaks girls for his running mates!
Man, we would hear Pumpkins music in the White House all the time, can you imagine? I’m sure it would save the world. And if not, we had the Pumpkins anyway!
Forgive me, just a silly thought…
[/quote:3e7v9pw5]Now that’s a splendid idea!!! Couldn’t be any worse then what’s in there now. In fact it would be better-you would create an all Pumpkins radio station for the country
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how about Billy for president?
then every time someone does something bad he could be all
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It could work, but the I see you part kinda creeps me out- the government already pulls there i see you shit..lol
At least we like Billy so it would be a much better I see you thing…but still creepy.
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now back on topic- i just got my absentee ballot in the mail and i totally voted Obama.
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Yeah!!![/quote:sjtw3rwx]I have mine, it’s still empty. Give me 5 good reasons to vote Obama……I’m curious what y’all concoct.
[/quote:sjtw3rwx]1. he believes healthcare is a ”right”
2. i believe he truly understands much more than mc cain what the middle class is going through right now
3. he seems very thoughtful and doesnt seem to be the type of person to make an unintelligent, rash decision "im suspending my campaign" "our economy is sound" " we are in an economic crisis" mc cain is all over the place
4. the world will have a better view of our country and our government
5. women’s right to choose (abortion)
6. i believe his age will be a benefit to us. mc cain is a good guy, but i believe he is out of touch in this 21st century. i believe clinton was around the same age when he was eleected. he was a great president.i wont list energy independence or stem cell research because mc cain is for that too. however, obama is much more open to utilizing stem cell research in more ways. (i could have put that better)
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1. Obama wants to explore alternative energy sources-move away from foreign oil-not more drilling elsewhere
2. cut taxes for 95% of small businesses.Tax cut for 95% of all working families, not corporations
3. seems to understand what middle America is and what we are facing financially
4. wants all families to be able to afford college for their children-
5. invest in Early Childhood-(that’s where the educating begins with children being out of the home with 2 parents working.)
6. cut out the No Child Left Behind-which screwed school budgets, teachers, and students \"We need a sense of urgency about improving education system\"
7. wants to end the war in Iraq-which will stop our country from spending 10 billion a month on it.
9. believes Health care is a right
10. raise the minimum wage.
11. seems to have an understanding of what family is!!!
I could go on……
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how about 5 reasons why someone should vote for mccain?[/quote:2ex5omqp]
ok, its only fair
1. Obama has only been a proud American since 1961, whereas McCain has been a proud American since 1776
2. with America’s large baby boomer generation aging it would be good for a large portion of America to have someone in the White House that has gone over that hill and understands their specific needs
3. he might bring back Matlock
4. he is a one man jingle machine- "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran…"
5. he has enough houses to house all the people who have lost their homes in the mortgage crisis
and he is a MAVERICK- fuck yeah
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how about 5 reasons why someone should vote for mccain?[/quote:xlo8ddvq]
ok, its only fair
1. Obama has only been a proud American since 1961, whereas McCain has been a proud American since 1776
2. with America’s large baby boomer generation aging it would be good for a large portion of America to have someone in the White House that has gone over that hill and understands their specific needs
3. he might bring back Matlock
4. he is a one man jingle machine- "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran…"
5. he is a MAVERICK- fuck yeah[/quote:xlo8ddvq]
4. he is a one man jingle machine- "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran…"
What a classic!!!!
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2. cut taxes for 95% of small businesses.Tax cut for 95% of all working families, not corporations
[/quote:ypbegmr2]How can you cut taxes for 95% of households when only 60% pay taxes to begin with?
How does cutting capital gains tax for small businesses help them when they don’t pay that tax to begin with? Small businesses report their income as personal. So there is no "tax break".
Obama on abortion? You want someone who would allow an abortion at 8 months? Cruel.
Obama as middle class? IMO he went from poor to elite, skipping middle class altogether.
I question a presidential candidate who gets his financial advice from the former CEO of Fannie May.
Ok then. Ballot is still blank, people!! Decisions…decisions……
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ok take out all the tax shit and think about McCains dumb remark about I’m going to buy all the bad mortgages and sell them lower-So lose money on it? That won’t help nothing. And he’s is so quick to get angry-which is horrid when the man seems war happy..same goes with his Vp choice and her firing issue in Alaska. She’s persuaded by other people in a wrong way. Can’t have that in our government. Plus I’m sure McCain is all about taking over the world. It’s not are world to take over..IT’S EVERYONE’S to come together. We all may look different, but overall we are the same-we are all one. And McCain doesn’t have that view.
One of my biggest reasons for voting Obama is education!
For schools to get the money they need to educate these kids properly and with Early childhood-there needs to be money put into that. They are completely underpaid for the work that is in store for those teachers and child care costs have gone through the roof-quality or no quality care the price is out of control. 275 bucks week for a baby…It’s like paying a mortgage payment a month for childcare. You work to pay for childcare-that’s where damn near your whole paycheck goes. Many people who make great $ quit because they would rather stay home with their child then pay those rates when they can do it themselves….. -
check this out freakies
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081011/ap_ … _and_state
another reason to vote Obama
oh, and kind of unrelated, but evidently North Korea is a \"good\" country now
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i think she might be dumber than George W.
i would be damn embarresed if i was McCain too though. i’m sure this will go down as the worse VP pick ever unless someone in the future manages to find a worse one.[/quote:248k5asd]
I’m sure he’s managing to kick himself in the ass as much as he can…Also did anyone see Cindy Crocker-McCain speak about how she is mad at Obama for not voting for the fund for the Iraq war…Well her husband McCain voted against it to, but when she is speaking to people that have no knowledge of that, of course they are going to believe what she said…
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I think in the end every country gets the president it deserves. If the US deserves McCain, it will get McCain.
Here in NL we have a somewhat adult Harry Potter renamed to Balkenende that tries to skate:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEbZhOjgjdw[/youtube]
& is even being teached manners by the current American president![youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Faj1qknS4_Y[/youtube]
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i think she might be dumber than George W.
i would be damn embarresed if i was McCain too though. i’m sure this will go down as the worse VP pick ever unless someone in the future manages to find a worse one.[/quote:3hl5m80u]
I’m sure he’s managing to kick himself in the ass as much as he can…Also did anyone see Cindy Crocker-McCain speak about how she is mad at Obama for not voting for the fund for the Iraq war…Well her husband McCain voted against it to, but when she is speaking to people that have no knowledge of that, of course they are going to believe what she said…[/quote:3hl5m80u]
seriously. some of the dumbest supporters ever.
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i love retarded campaign ads.
here is one from my state.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux_d-7LXmo4[/youtube]
this dude cried and dropped out of the race because of this because he felt like they were calling him gay. mean, but funny ad nonetheless.
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man the Dutch guy on the skateboard was hilarious..too bad he didn’t attempt to skate down the steps…lol
as for the McCain ad-hell yeah that’s is pretty accurate!!!
Seriously he has been in Washington for so long he has no idea what middle class is…not to mention he does not like to use the term middle class…and his wife is an elitist-I would like to see her pump gas into a car or better yet walk in to a quickie mart and get her ass a cup of coffee herself!
I bet Barack and Michelle Obama know how to do both.
Also how they want to connect Bill Ayers and Obama -you can’t Obama was 8 when the guy did that, but it’s ok to have ex KKK members be a part of the Senate a while back because they supposedly had changed their views…McCain was in office during their (ex KKK members) service in Washington.
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man the Dutch guy on the skateboard was hilarious..too bad he didn’t attempt to skate down the steps…lol
as for the McCain ad-hell yeah that’s is pretty accurate!!!
Seriously he has been in Washington for so long he has no idea what middle class is…not to mention he does not like to use the term middle class…and his wife is an elitist-I would like to see her pump gas into a car or better yet walk in to a quickie mart and get her ass a cup of coffee herself!
I bet Barack and Michelle Obama know how to do both.
Also how they want to connect Bill Ayers and Obama -you can’t Obama was 8 when the guy did that, but it’s ok to have ex KKK members be a part of the Senate a while back because they supposedly had changed their views…McCain was in office during their (ex KKK members) service in Washington.
This world has some really challenged people in it…Grrrrr….[/quote:2rkkhmkr]a strom thurman refrence! word!
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more interesting things
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more interesting things
http://www.burningcane.org/2008/07/gook … hy-it.html[/quote:1fwwk5fd]
as recently as 2000 huh? i hope obama plays this video during his half hour block of television he bought for the end of october.
i was just watching a commentator on cnn say how a week ago he was in some appalacian states and he couldnt believe how many people told him that obama was a arab.
and lastnight, i was watching an interviewer, interview about 10 elderly obama supporters from florida. and nearly all of them had said that they have had someone come up to them on the street and say that they wont vote for obama because he is black.
i can see why education is so important to you, reggae.
im embarrased of my country.
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the government has managed to put the scare tactic that muslim equals terrorist and because Barack has a ‘different’ name then our culture is used to, people automatically attach muslim to him, which equals terrorist in their eyes, based on their little knowledge about things in the greater world. They are taught what they only want know and want to believe. And then there is the color issue….
I have a hard time wanting to believe people’s ignorance on someone’s color. it’s just kills me that people are afraid of skin color…My husband is black and my children are mixed, obviously
anyways there are many people who are accepting of different races, but there are many who don’t and there are many who pretend they aren’t had go behind closed doors and start saying disrespectful things about other races. It’s a fact. i believe my brother is a hidden racist. seen it heard it….he just doesn’t get it and doesn’t want to listen-keep on drinking, smoking stuff and lord knows what else.. He didn’t want to vote Obama because he is one of those afraid he is going to take control and the white people will be slaves..WTF???we grew up in the same house, but he’s a drunk, mouthy, racist. you can’t say you’re not and then turn around and use the term ‘nigger’ cuz your pissed at whatever or whoever race or not…it’s just disrespectful..same with using the term gook, cracker, honky, wetback, or chink, muslim=terrorist and so on…or name yourself the kkk for video games..To me that is racist feelings coming out…deeply hidden or not
I dislike to see my children having to see people act so disrespectful towards a skin color or someone’s beliefs…..We are different (boy, girl, man ,woman, skin& hair color, beliefs), but we are the same(brain,heart,lungs,), We are all one!! It’s about having a positive mind, positive attitude, seeing the simple things, enjoying them, listening to them. It’s life we all have it and we should all embrace it with love. Love comes in colors I can’t deny!! Think about it.
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I’m sorry if I offend anyone, but it is reality that people go around and use all of those toward people ..it’s not ok. I have worked in the public and seen these people just basically degrade one another it’s horrid…makes me sad that people are mean based on skin and beliefs…it’s in the cities it’s in the suburbs…
My niece took a picture of a burning cross because she thought it was funny and put it on her myspace
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being 25 years old and living in los angeles. ive seen equality at its best and worst. we have some of the most openminded people without a racist bone in their body living here (im referring mostly to my peers) and some people who say the most retarded illogical things when it comes to race (im basically referring to all of the conservatives here with plenty of money) its truly a state of the haves, and the have-nots. i take the bus, and believe me, there are plenty of the have-nots living around here, who feel like they are not being heard. im one of them. the other day, i was in the car with my mom heading home, when someone made an illegal u turn and crashed right into us. then the guy proceded to drive away. luckily, seconds after the accident a police car passed by and he followed the guy and so did we. when they caught him, they pulled him out of the car and he was laying face down on the ground being cuffed. i went up to him and told him ghe was a fucking piece of shit nigger. he was a white guy, driving a brand new suv. i know that i shouldnt have used the word. and my mom sure told me to never say that again. she was very offended. but here was a guy who hit us, then decided to drive away, who didnt have insurance, didnt have a license, was on probation, had a warrant out, and was a \"little drunk\" according to what the plice officer told me. if that guy had been black or if any of the police officers had been black, i promise you i wouldnt have sad that word. but to me, a nigger isnt a black person. to me, and by definition, its a person who is subhuman, a person who doesnt deserve the dignity of being looked at as an equal human being. this was such a person. i wanted to kick that fuck right in his head. i dont know why im ssharing this story, and im sure its going to offend you guys, but my family is struggling, and thank god her car is still driveable. and that fuck is in jail right now and is losing his car for a month. he didnt care about us. he only cared about himself. he is truly a nigger.
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no your story doesn’t necessarily offend me. i understand where you are coming from. Because when you get the actual definition it’s means ignorant…so the white man back in the day many years ago, started calling them that by using that word. Also I’ve have read that is was given to them because of their region, but I don’t buy that one..
Anyway if people seriously opened their eyes and opened their ears…or just their whole inner being they would understand the true context of that word, or any of the others and how and when it’s used. I just never use it. It’s pointless….It just causes people to be upset and the other as well and it just makes absolutley no sense to use any of the terms listed above in my previous post. We are people, human, life…regardless of black, white, red, yellow, blue,pink…purple. Honestly I kinda hate classification! and that is another form of being classified..LOL
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i will admit i’m not much for your wordchoice and i hate it when my brother uses it. i do think popular culture has change the meaning of that word to an extent, but its still a charged word and i never use it. i think i tend to look at things through their historical context though- history major.
so i can’t bring myself to use such a term because of the history i associate it with. thats just how i am. i’m glad you guys were ok though.
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i wish people would close their mouths more. im a really quiet person, cuz i dont want to sound like the people i hear around me. nobody thinks before they speak. i hear evidence of that everyday. everyone should walk around with headphones on, listening to music, and not say a damn thing to anyone. there’d be less hatred in this world. and i really wish we had universal healthcare. thats one big reason why i wish i lived in europe. i understand the taxes are higher, but the quality of life seems to be better. im curious to hear what our european posters have to say about this. socialism doesnt seem that bad to me. and yet thats a main argument im hearing everyone at mc cain’s town hall meetings saying. i know it goes against the fundamental basis of our system, but what about the greater good?
what happened to politics?
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There is plenty of socialist organisation’s already operating in the US (law enforcement, fire department, childrens education), I don’t see why health care should be viewed any differently….well actually, that’s not true I do know : the huge amounts of money to be made.
I didn’t check other countries, but here in Ireland we pay far less tax than the US, the highest tax bracket rate (of 2) is 12.5%, where according to wiki the second lowest tax bracket rate (of 6) in the states is 15%
And yes our health care is free.
Most modern western nations incorporate some socialist elements into their society.
Again, speaking only from my nations perspective, free health care isn’t without it’s flaws, there can be huge waiting periods before you are seen to, but that might not be a symptom of it being free, because Ireland simply has an awful health care system at the moment :/[editing] to add my sources tax rate info…because wiki isn’t exactly reliable, so the info could be wrong
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax … ted_States
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so you play less in taxes, and your healthcare is free. but you do have to wait forever sometimes. i should move to ireland. i myself fall in the 21-25% tax bracket, which sucks. they take a lot out of my paycheck. that may sound like i make a lot of money, but i dont.
here, one trip to the emergency room without having health insurance can put you on a payment plan for years! believe me, im speaking from experience. i’de gladly wait half a day in the emergency room, which some people here are already having to do, rather than potentially racking up a bill of thousands of dollars.
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i hear ya bullet…I feel that way most of the time…lol
politics are just a pain in the ass and gets a lot of people acting foolish….
Did you hear about the guy in N.C. who put up a sign about not parking in his lot if you are an Obama supporter? He will still let you park there, but it’s offending people. All it takes is one person to take it to the courts to sue his ass for discrimination…if you can sue Crapdonalds for hot coffee then why not him… -
2. cut taxes for 95% of small businesses.Tax cut for 95% of all working families, not corporations
[/quote:1pjjw6w3]How can you cut taxes for 95% of households when only 60% pay taxes to begin with?
How does cutting capital gains tax for small businesses help them when they don’t pay that tax to begin with? Small businesses report their income as personal. So there is no "tax break".
Obama on abortion? You want someone who would allow an abortion at 8 months? Cruel.
Obama as middle class? IMO he went from poor to elite, skipping middle class altogether.
I question a presidential candidate who gets his financial advice from the former CEO of Fannie May.
Ok then. Ballot is still blank, people!! Decisions…decisions……[/quote:1pjjw6w3]
95% of the 60% who pay taxes. Is that a serious question?
Small businesses do pay capital gains taxes if they make a certain amount of money.
Abortion – to each their own, not really a major factor in this election IMO.
I don’t think Obama reach a class "flash point" and went straight to elite. Even if that WAS possible, that’s the American Dream, and you are holding it against him.
I question a candidate who gets his financial advice from 8 former BUSH LOBBYISTS.
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95% of the 60% who pay taxes. Is that a serious question?
Small businesses do pay capital gains taxes if they make a certain amount of money.
Abortion – to each their own, not really a major factor in this election IMO.
I don’t think Obama reach a class "flash point" and went straight to elite. Even if that WAS possible, that’s the American Dream, and you are holding it against him.
I question a candidate who gets his financial advice from 8 former BUSH LOBBYISTS.[/quote:1b8dteqm]
At least you get the 95% of 60%. I think most people hear 95% and think 95% of everyone.
Capital gains taxes–yes, but what is that "certain amount of money"?
Abortion– never said it was a major factor, just don’t agree with it. Tis personal I suppose.
Not holding Obama’s success against him, just hope people realize Obama may not understand the middle class like he lets on.
Financial advice point given.
Ballot still is blank! Shall I flip a coin?
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95% of the 60% who pay taxes. Is that a serious question?
Small businesses do pay capital gains taxes if they make a certain amount of money.
Abortion – to each their own, not really a major factor in this election IMO.
I don’t think Obama reach a class "flash point" and went straight to elite. Even if that WAS possible, that’s the American Dream, and you are holding it against him.
I question a candidate who gets his financial advice from 8 former BUSH LOBBYISTS.[/quote:2osg2qdn]
At least you get the 95% of 60%. I think most people hear 95% and think 95% of everyone.
Capital gains taxes–yes, but what is that "certain amount of money"?
Abortion– never said it was a major factor, just don’t agree with it. Tis personal I suppose.
Not holding Obama’s success against him, just hope people realize Obama may not understand the middle class like he lets on.
Financial advice point given.
Ballot still is blank! Shall I flip a coin?[/quote:2osg2qdn]
Like he lets on?????
So all those years as a community organizer, trying to help poor communities better themselves was all a show. Even after receiving the prestigious tenure as the first African-American President of the Harvard Law Review, he said no to a guaranteed 6-7 figure salary and no to a Supreme Court nomination. No, instead he went BACK to the poor communities to support them. TWICE.
You’re right, he’s completely out of touch with the middle class.
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[/quote:2wfln0ok]Gravity has been weighing on him longer, plus he’s fatter, so the shit must have sank to the bottom.
I seriously hope this is not how our citizens vote. There are distinct differences between the two candidates.
All I can say is, you get what you vote for. Enjoy.
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McCain: The Maverick.
Went against Ronald Reagan ONCE regarding Bosnia.
Sucked Bush’s small dick 95% of the time.
Voted for the war.
Wants to CONTINUE the war. IN IRAQ. IRAQ!!!!
Suspends campaign to fuck up Washington’s progress.
Committed adultery multiple times on his physically challenged first wife.
Reached across the aisle ONCE with the McCain-Finegold? bill.
Refered to Obama as \"that guy\".
Was defeated in 2000 by George Bush. Bush used smear tactics to destroy McCain’s image. Yet, 4 years later, campaigned for the same fucker that stabbed him in the back. Only to further his own political agenda.
Does not know how many houses he owns. Most people can’t afford one.
Nominated Sarah Palin as VP after a 15 minute phone conversation.
Was part of the 5 senator fiasco – name eludes me right now.
Admitted he does not understand the economy.
He’s old. Out of touch. Wants to change Washington. You’ve had 26 years, what have you been doing?
He knows how to find Bin Laden. What the fuck is he waiting on?
Supports a short term band-aid (at best) by more drilling. For oil. OIL.He sure is a maverick. If only in a good way. Oh well John. Better luck next time.
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Tell it like it is Manilla!!!
YOU ARE RIGHT ON!
They will probably ‘find’ Bin Laden any day now..like they did with Saddam before the election
god I hope not….
and if he knows how to get him, he’s in Washington call up General Petreus and tell him your knowledge..DUH!!![/quote:2tvncwh9]some people running the obama campaign are saying that may be the october suprise.
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McCain: The Maverick.
Went against Ronald Reagan ONCE regarding Bosnia.
Sucked Bush’s small dick 95% of the time.
Voted for the war.
Wants to CONTINUE the war. IN IRAQ. IRAQ!!!!
Suspends campaign to fuck up Washington’s progress.
Committed adultery multiple times on his physically challenged first wife.
Reached across the aisle ONCE with the McCain-Finegold? bill.
Refered to Obama as "that guy".
Was defeated in 2000 by George Bush. Bush used smear tactics to destroy McCain’s image. Yet, 4 years later, campaigned for the same fucker that stabbed him in the back. Only to further his own political agenda.
Does not know how many houses he owns. Most people can’t afford one.
Nominated Sarah Palin as VP after a 15 minute phone conversation.
Was part of the 5 senator fiasco – name eludes me right now.
Admitted he does not understand the economy.
He’s old. Out of touch. Wants to change Washington. You’ve had 26 years, what have you been doing?
He knows how to find Bin Laden. What the fuck is he waiting on?
Supports a short term band-aid (at best) by more drilling. For oil. OIL.He sure is a maverick. If only in a good way. Oh well John. Better luck next time.[/quote:3kszc64x]
Where to start…..Manilla of course makes some interesting points. I need to do some fact-checking before I believe it all.
"suspends campaign to mess up washington’s progress"?? Seriously? What’s so bad about putting the economy before politics?
Adultery? uhhhhhh….ok. *cough*Clinton*cough*
What’s wrong with drilling for more oil?
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oil sux…we have the brains to find a better solution. and hello it just overall bad for the environment, brings greed to the big dogs, if you keep taking the oil from drilling does that somehow do damage underground some how???
as for the adultery…what president has been faithful? probably none..who knows
He didn’t care about the economy he was trying to make himself look better, but failed, and if he was such in a hurry to get DC why did he cancel the late show with David Letterman to not rush on the next flight to Washington? He was doing a different interview or something…and when he was there after his interview or whatever he lying about, why when he got there he just sat like a tard and had nothing to say and nothing to come back with for the american people.
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McCain: The Maverick.
Went against Ronald Reagan ONCE regarding Bosnia.
Sucked Bush’s small dick 95% of the time.
Voted for the war.
Wants to CONTINUE the war. IN IRAQ. IRAQ!!!!
Suspends campaign to fuck up Washington’s progress.
Committed adultery multiple times on his physically challenged first wife.
Reached across the aisle ONCE with the McCain-Finegold? bill.
Refered to Obama as "that guy".
Was defeated in 2000 by George Bush. Bush used smear tactics to destroy McCain’s image. Yet, 4 years later, campaigned for the same fucker that stabbed him in the back. Only to further his own political agenda.
Does not know how many houses he owns. Most people can’t afford one.
Nominated Sarah Palin as VP after a 15 minute phone conversation.
Was part of the 5 senator fiasco – name eludes me right now.
Admitted he does not understand the economy.
He’s old. Out of touch. Wants to change Washington. You’ve had 26 years, what have you been doing?
He knows how to find Bin Laden. What the fuck is he waiting on?
Supports a short term band-aid (at best) by more drilling. For oil. OIL.He sure is a maverick. If only in a good way. Oh well John. Better luck next time.[/quote:1hy71pl0]
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McCain: The Maverick.
Went against Ronald Reagan ONCE regarding Bosnia.
Sucked Bush’s small dick 95% of the time.
Voted for the war.
Wants to CONTINUE the war. IN IRAQ. IRAQ!!!!
Suspends campaign to fuck up Washington’s progress.
Committed adultery multiple times on his physically challenged first wife.
Reached across the aisle ONCE with the McCain-Finegold? bill.
Refered to Obama as "that guy".
Was defeated in 2000 by George Bush. Bush used smear tactics to destroy McCain’s image. Yet, 4 years later, campaigned for the same fucker that stabbed him in the back. Only to further his own political agenda.
Does not know how many houses he owns. Most people can’t afford one.
Nominated Sarah Palin as VP after a 15 minute phone conversation.
Was part of the 5 senator fiasco – name eludes me right now.
Admitted he does not understand the economy.
He’s old. Out of touch. Wants to change Washington. You’ve had 26 years, what have you been doing?
He knows how to find Bin Laden. What the fuck is he waiting on?
Supports a short term band-aid (at best) by more drilling. For oil. OIL.He sure is a maverick. If only in a good way. Oh well John. Better luck next time.[/quote:1h6ssoqf]
Where to start…..Manilla of course makes some interesting points. I need to do some fact-checking before I believe it all.
"suspends campaign to mess up washington’s progress"?? Seriously? What’s so bad about putting the economy before politics?
Adultery? uhhhhhh….ok. *cough*Clinton*cough*
What’s wrong with drilling for more oil?[/quote:1h6ssoqf]
What’s so bad is that it was unnecessary and only made things worse.
My point exactly. Hope you can see the two as equal, in that respect. Hope you weren’t part of the Clinton lynch mob, or else that would make you a hypocrite.
What’s RIGHT w/ drilling for more oil? Nothing.
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I love how people are so quick to attack "big oil", or even "little oil" for that matter. They’re an easy target, but not as evil as you all believe. Yes, they make huge profits. It’s simple economics–they provide a commodity that is in high demand. I’m not holding that against them. If you have your panties in a wad about the financial side of "big oil", go buy some stock and enjoy some of those profits. So what’s right with drilling for more oil? This country would come to a screeching halt without oil. I, like many of you, also believe we need to find alternative sources, but you are being idealistic if you think that will happen immediately. Even if a stable, cheap, reliable, clean energy source was discovered today, think about how long it would take to get everyone/thing switched over! YEARS. Thus, we still need oil and gas supplies and reserves that are accessible to us. For those of you who are anti-oil because of the environmental impact, what car do you drive? What heats your home? Your hot water? Dryer? Let me know that you are personally doing things to either conserve oil or stop using it in your life and I’ll let you slide on the oil argument. But if you’re out driving around in your SUV, quit your bitching.
Reggae- no, taking oil out of the ground does not "damage the underground". Where did you hear that?
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I didn’t hear it it was a question I have…
you say no it doesn’t, but do you really know? Does anyone really know? I don’t know
It’s like the FDA saying sure this med is fine and later on come to find out it wasn’t.I drive a Saturn and actually I pretty much don’t drive anymore. We have an SUV that is not working currently-which is a good thing, and when it does work again, it is hardly ever used. A tank of gas in the Saturn lasts us a week-not bad.
I care about the environment, but I also know that it will take an extremely long time to get where we need to be with alternative energy. Going green costs $ and people don’t even have the $ to do it.
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I drive a Saturn and actually I pretty much don’t drive anymore. We have an SUV that is not working currently-which is a good thing, and when it does work again, it is hardly ever used. A tank of gas in the Saturn lasts us a week-not bad.
I care about the environment, but I also know that it will take an extremely long time to get where we need to be with alternative energy. Going green costs $ and people don’t even have the $ to do it.
I haven’t used my heat yet and I have electric heaters to help not use the heat and a wood burning stove in my family room. Hot water, well have to use the damn gas to heat it…..[/quote:3lwj9vlr]What creates your electricity? Probably either coal or hydroelectric, possibly nuclear depending on where you live. Is burning coal cleaner than natural gas? Is damming up rivers good for the environment? What about the possibility of a nuclear disaster (TMI etc)? Wood burning stove–you’re still polluting the environment and cutting down forests. My point is, we have to get energy from somewhere, and no matter what it’s from, people will complain.
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here’s my opinion on oil. ive heard if we do additional drilling off the coasts, we’re not going to be feeling the benefits from that drilling till 2030. thats 22 years away. we can do a lot in 22 years working to make this country energy independent and developing alternative fuel sources. when gas prices reached their all time high in june, i decided i was going to take public transportation. i couldnt afford it anymore. now oil prices way down from where they used to be over the summer. and what are the oil companies going to do? theyre going to cut production to raise the demand and the price of a barrel is going to go back up. cant they just let the taxpayer have some relief?
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you are right!
I complain about it. But I sure can’t afford another option either. It just seems like there is no win win situation.
There will always be something to pollute the environment. Airplanes pollute it-the war pollutes it, ships, we all contribute to polluting….[/quote:2fylvaxu]So why do you jump on the "let’s attack big oil" bandwagon? Just ’cause it’s easy and you hear others do it? Why don’t you attack coal miners and hydroelectric dams equally?
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What’s RIGHT w/ drilling for more oil? Nothing.[/quote:3a9i7478]
I love how people are so quick to attack "big oil", or even "little oil" for that matter. They’re an easy target, but not as evil as you all believe. Yes, they make huge profits. It’s simple economics–they provide a commodity that is in high demand. I’m not holding that against them. If you have your panties in a wad about the financial side of "big oil", go buy some stock and enjoy some of those profits. So what’s right with drilling for more oil? This country would come to a screeching halt without oil. I, like many of you, also believe we need to find alternative sources, but you are being idealistic if you think that will happen immediately. Even if a stable, cheap, reliable, clean energy source was discovered today, think about how long it would take to get everyone/thing switched over! YEARS. Thus, we still need oil and gas supplies and reserves that are accessible to us. For those of you who are anti-oil because of the environmental impact, what car do you drive? What heats your home? Your hot water? Dryer? Let me know that you are personally doing things to either conserve oil or stop using it in your life and I’ll let you slide on the oil argument. But if you’re out driving around in your SUV, quit your bitching.
Reggae- no, taking oil out of the ground does not "damage the underground". Where did you hear that?[/quote:3a9i7478]
Buy stock and enjoy the profits? That is the stupidest argument for perpetuation of a necessary evil that I have ever heard. You can do better than that, I’m sure.
I am not against oil as a fuel. I am against drilling for more oil to provide relief. Like you say, it will take years either way. IT’S NOT A SOLUTION. DOES NOT FIX THE PROBLEM. Therefore, yes, fuck big oil, and fuck oil in general. Do I use it? Sure! Everyday.
Do you like paying social security? My guess is no. Stop fucking paying then. Just that easy, right?
It’s okay to see oil in a negative light. It’s gotten us this far, thanks oil. But we need better. And deserve better. Or, let’s just turn into our sister planet, Venus, and all cook to death, just because big oil doesn’t REALLY hurt anyone.
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we should be like brazil. grow sugar and run the country on flex fuel cars.[/quote:1l8v6hrn]
Amen. This is possible. Guess who Brazil buys energy from? Themselves.[/quote:1l8v6hrn]
its a beautiful thing. why cant middle america grow the sugar, have the gvt. use some of the bailout money and give it to g.m. and have them develop flex fuel cars with the money? the only hurdle would be creating fueling stations.
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QUOTE OF THE DAY:
\"She was only in sixth grade the last time John (McCain) had a good idea.\" — Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden, playing off the remarks of his Republican counterpart, Sarah Palin, who said she was in second grade when Biden was first elected to the Senate.
people are always gonna bitch about something
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yeah he was pissed he was gritting his teeth down while trying to explain something after Obama. I like how he said I don’t care about a washed up Billy Ayers (can’t remember the term he used). Except wasn’t that what his campaign was focused on last week? I wonder if he lost a few votes by not going on the attack like he said he would at this debate.
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i think mc cain attacked plenty. by far this was the most entertaining debate imo. although the pundits were saying obama was a little boring. the candidates actually spoke to one another and there was some constructive dialogue. i think they both did a great job in giving undecided voters something to go on. although i think some of those reaction shots of mc cain will hurt him.
and i dont give a shit about joe the plumber. he should feel lucky to be in the position to buy a business.
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Here is an email I just got
kind of interesting to readThis is very interesting. Makes you think.
Obama/Biden vs McCain/Palin, what if things were switched around?…..Think about it. Would the country’s collective point of view be different? Ponder the following:
What if the Obamas had paraded five children across the stage, including a three month old infant and an unwed, pregnant teenage daughter?
What if John McCain was a former president of the Harvard Law Review? What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class?
What if McCain had only married once and Obama was a divorcee?
What if Obama was the candidate who left his first wife after a severe disfiguring car accident, when she no longer measured up to his standards?
What if Obama had met his second 2nd wife in a bar and had a long affair while he was still married?What if Michelle Obama was the wife who not only became addicted to pain killers but also acquired them illegally through her charitable organization?
What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?What if Obama had been a member of the Keating Five? (The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s.)
What if McCain was a charismatic, eloquent speaker? What if Obama couldn’t read from a TelePrompTer?
What if Obama was the one who had military experience that included discipline problems and a record of crashing seven planes?What if Obama was the one who was known to display publicly, on many occasions, a serious anger management problem?
What if Michelle Obama’s family had made their money from beer distribution?
What if the Obamas had adopted a white child?
You could easily add to this list. If these questions reflected reality, do you really believe the election numbers would be as close as they are? This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in another when there is a color difference.
EDUCATION BACKGROUND:
Barack Obama: Columbia University – B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in International Relations.
Harvard – Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude
Joseph Biden: University of Delaware – B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science. Syracuse University College of Law – Juris Doctor (J.D.)vs. John McCain: United States Naval Acade my – Class rank: 894 of 899
Sarah Palin: Hawaii Pacific University – 1 semester North Idaho College – 2 semesters – general study University of Idaho – 2 semesters – journalism Matanuska-Susitna College – 1 semester University of Idaho – 3 semesters – B.A. in JournalismEducation isn’t everything, but this is about the two highest offices in the land as well as our standing in the world. You make the call.
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Here is that other email I said I would post about the IDEA for the bailout………
OK…..here’s a plan I could live with.
I’m against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.
Instead, I’m in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a We
Deserve It Dividend.To make the math simple, let’s assume there are 200,000,000 bonafide
U.S. Citizens 18+.Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and
child.
So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up…So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals
$425,000.00.My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a We Deserve It
Dividend.Of course, it would NOT be tax free.
So let’s assume a tax rate of 30%.
Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes.
That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.
But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket.
A husband and wife team has $595,000.00.
What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?
Pay off your mortgage – housing crisis solved.
Repay college loans – what a great boost to new grads
Put away money for college – it’ll be there
Save in a bank – create money to loan to entrepreneurs.
Buy a new car – create jobs
Invest in the market – capital drives growth
Pay for your parent’s medical insurance – health care improves
Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean – or else
Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks who
lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company that is
cutting
back. And, of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.If we’re going to re-distribute wealth let’s really do it…instead of
trickling out a puny $1000.00 (\"vote buy\") economic incentive that is
being
proposed by one of our candidates for President.If we’re going to do an $85 billion bailout, let’s bail out every adult
U S Citizen 18+!As for AIG – liquidate it.
Sell off its parts.
Let American General go back to being American General.
Sell off the real estate.
Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.
Here’s my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn’t.
Sure it’s a crazy idea that can \"never work.\"
But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party!
How do you spell Economic Boom?
I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion
We Deserve It Dividend more than do the geniuses at AIG or in Washington
DC.And remember, The Birk plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because
$25.5
Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.Ahhh…I feel so much better getting that off my chest.
Kindest personal regards,
Birk
T. J. Birkenmeier, A Creative Guy & Citizen of the Republic
PS: Feel free to pass this along to your pals as it’s either good for a
laugh or a tear or a very sobering thought on how to best use $85
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I know the above email is kind of meant as a half-joke type thing, but I had thought about something similar, but I think the main problem comes from how you decide the people who get it.
Do people who moved to the country last year get it?
What about people who lived here all their life, but left recently, don’t they deserve it?
You have to draw a line somewhere, and I’d assume that it would be with people currently living here (/there) and paying taxes, but I can just imagine how controversial it would be…..still….I wouldn’t say no the the money -
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this is the conspiracy theorist in me talking…
the mc cain campaign has a lot going bad for them right now. seemingly throughout the entire campaign. the things they’ve got on barak obama are his ties with bill ayres, reverend wright, and the voter registration group ACORN. regarding acorn, the story is that some people who were suposed to be registering voters, just filled out applications themselves with either dead people, professional athletes, or cartoon character names, etc.
isn’t it conceivable that those people who broke the rules were in fact republicans who knew this was going to be noticed and knew that acorn, officially non partisan, but more closely affiliated with democrats, would get a lot of flack for this, and that it could create negative thoughts about barack obama because of his affiliation with acorn, and the voter fraud?
i think the republicans, out of their own desperation, created this controversy all by themselves, so they could have something to attack barack obama on.
and i wish, just once, that sara palin would give a speech without saying \"i wish, just once, barack obama would say i want to win the war in iraq.\" she’s a fucking broken record. broken record. broken record.
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and i wish, just once, that sara palin would give a speech without saying "i wish, just once, barack obama would say i want to win the war in iraq." she’s a fucking broken record. broken record. broken record.[/quote:3513lebp]
i wish just once that she would stop saying "maverick"
and that could be some pumpkins. i think they are pretty desperate at this point. hell, mccain dropped the ayres thing during the debate even because he had nothing else to say.
i wouldn’t put it past them.
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i think its funny how he started off saying in the dabate…\"i dont care about some washed up terrorist\" but ended his sentence by saying \"we need to look closely at this.\" i cant recall exactly what he said, but the daily show did a great job of illustrating this, earlier this week. he completly contradicted himself in the same sentence.
and dont forget to watch snl tonight. sara palin’s gonna be on.
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hehe, true ^^
oh, and did you here about \"joe the plumber\"? he is concerned about taxes, but evidently doesn’t pay them. he owes over $1000 in back taxes.
and i wish i could watch snl, but i have to go to bed early because i get up at 4:00am for work. i might still do it though. i think it would be worth it.
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McCain totally spoke about not caring about a \"washed up terrorist\", but the very next day was out on the campaign trail saying the complete opposite.
I think you might be right about Acorn and the Republicans. They had Acorn supporters at one of John McCain campaign speeches. they were sporting Acorn shirts, spotted in the crowd and one of the news outlets showed it and pointed out they have a connection to the Republicans as well, so yeah there might be something there…. -
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i think the endorsment is great. powell is a centrist republican, and highly regarded, and that will do great for obama’s chances of grabbing some of those military votes in florida and virginia that he despirately needs if he wants to win those states. run-on. although the retired military loves mc cain, i believe powell’s endorsment will transcend mc cain’s military experience, and hopefully convincece some more people that obama’s right for the job.
i love all of the points he made on meet the press. you could tell he had his thoughts very well planned out.
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What are everyone’s thoughts about Colin Powell endorsing Obama???? I don’t know much about him except he was part of the Bush team a while back and made a good decision to get away from it…[/quote:3lob4w5b]
i think the endorsment is great. powell is a centrist republican, and highly regarded, and that will do great for obama’s chances of grabbing some of those military votes in florida and virginia that he despirately needs if he wants to win those states. run-on. although the retired military loves mc cain, i believe powell’s endorsment will transcend mc cain’s military experience, and hopefully convincece some more people that obama’s right for the job.[/quote:3lob4w5b]
i agree. and this should give him a boost on the foreign policy question too with someone like Powell endorsing him.
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obama’s got so much momentum. last week 100,000 people in st. louis were there to hear him speak. and yesterday 50,000 in florida to see him and hilary clinton. and he’s got so much money to spend. and today, he’s hosting a job summit in florida, with a bunch of governers from a bunch of swing states. its going to be so sad if he loses.
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they were there to see hillary, duh.[/quote:1jnfvmnq]
ide say about half of them shoewed up because hilary was gonna be there too. but not all 50,000
i just read this on yahoo…
Gov. Sarah Palin charged the state for her children to travel with her, including to events where they were not invited, and later amended expense reports to specify that they were on official business.i do not like her.
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I missed the part on CNN last night about how her and her family got new clothes for this VP role. I want to know who paid for these clothes for her whole family that costs a ridiculous amount of money. Is it necessary? I mean does your clothes really make any difference on what you are going to accomplish? NOPE!!!!
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I missed the part on CNN last night about how her and her family got new clothes for this VP role. I want to know who paid for these clothes for her whole family that costs a ridiculous amount of money. Is it necessary? I mean does your clothes really make any difference on what you are going to accomplish? NOPE!!!![/quote:29dabp2y]
the rnc paid for them
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I missed the part on CNN last night about how her and her family got new clothes for this VP role. I want to know who paid for these clothes for her whole family that costs a ridiculous amount of money. Is it necessary? I mean does your clothes really make any difference on what you are going to accomplish? NOPE!!!![/quote:1rc725ww]
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Hey you Obama fans– not sure if you’re still following his campaign (since you’re set in your ways), but he has decided to become a bit more honest. Now households making $70K or more will have tax increases, NOT $250K like he made you all believe. I’m guessing the $70K mark includes most of you (as households). I bet it goes even lower when/if he’s sworn in.
*sarcastic thumbs up* Enjoy.
Also, he wants a \"civilian national security force\" that is just as strong and just as well funded as our military? Think SS in Nazi Germany or the KGB. Love spying on our own citizens, that ROCKS (insert large dose of sarcasm here). This guy is crazy. How will he pay for that force? Taxes people….FROM YOU.
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This guy is crazy. How will he pay for that force? Taxes people….FROM YOU.[/quote:1uzwqpc5]
Whether you’re being screwed from the right, hit from the left, humiliated from above, kicked from below, fucked from the back or being boobtouched from the front, someone has to pay in the end. And who has the money: we, the people, do. Nothing new, whatever president.Besides, I’m sure he will reconsider his next moves during his famous "election day basketball game".
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Hey you Obama fans– not sure if you’re still following his campaign (since you’re set in your ways), but he has decided to become a bit more honest. Now households making $70K or more will have tax increases, NOT $250K like he made you all believe. I’m guessing the $70K mark includes most of you (as households). I bet it goes even lower when/if he’s sworn in.
*sarcastic thumbs up* Enjoy.
Also, he wants a "civilian national security force" that is just as strong and just as well funded as our military? Think SS in Nazi Germany or the KGB. Love spying on our own citizens, that ROCKS (insert large dose of sarcasm here). This guy is crazy. How will he pay for that force? Taxes people….FROM YOU.[/quote:1taz2bof]
At least he’s HONEST, and two, going to PAY FOR IT.
And playing the Nazi card?
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