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Wholy crap you guys are hardcore…[/quote:z3prj0wd]
I haven’t posted yet….
[/quote:z3prj0wd]What are you waiting for?
[/quote:z3prj0wd]TIME!!! No time!!!
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Wrong. I debate, but I do not fight. I will not kill for (non-) religion. I will kill when they harm my wife and little children, but I do not fight for "systems" whatever color, taste, leader. Not as long as I’m to my senses. And just think of this… Why aren’t both sides wrong when we know we only use 30% of our brains, and know just little about our feelings and instincts? Why aren’t both sides blind?[/quote:l7hhdvlf]
I guess what I’m trying to say is, either
A) God exists or
B) God does not existThere are two options. Both sides can be misguided or "blind". The people who swear God exists may be right, but worshipping the wrong God, in the wrong fashion, at the wrong time. The people who swear God does not exist may also be right, but maybe there is a higher "power", maybe the 30% issue prevents us from knowing, maybe we all just die and that’s it.
But the bottom line is, there either is or isn’t a God. Right now. (Bearing in mind the possibility that maybe God once existed but does not anymore, has yet to exist but will in the future). Wow, I’m blowing my own mind.
number of numbered killings by god in the bible:
2,270,365+
number of numbered killings by satan in the bible
10
number of un-numbered killings
god: 32.9 million
satan: 10[/quote:1iookwwl]
Having God in your corner? Priceless…
I just respect both who believe and don’t believe, but i do not understand why both sides tend to criticize the other. [/quote:13c5egte]
I do see it as two opposites, hence the critique. It’s not as though both can exist. Either there is a God, or there isn’t. Yes, the individual is allowed (in free society, let’s all take a moment to appreciate that…) to choose for himself. However, he/she is choosing a side. And one of the sides is right. And one of the sides is wrong. That’s why people fight over it. You have to defend why you choose which side you do. You are either embracing a God, or you are not. That’s a big choice.
Working in health give a lot of experiences with people, and i can tell you that, most of the times, when people get very sick, those who claimed to be agnostic start to feel different about faith and god, and sometimes at the end they say that they believe in god now, or even became religious people. Just like the oposite it is true also.[/quote:13c5egte]
Fear.
Question to Tree_Spirit:
Can your almighty creator create a stone he cannot lift?
Think of it… No christian ever could answer this question to me so far.[/quote:26w0synz]
All right, scientist Arthur. Put your chemical faceguard on…
What happens when an unstoppable object comes into contact with an immoveable object?
Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.
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Two things: you say yourself here, only known planet. Which acquiescently acknowledges that another may exist. Or rather, does exist. As you have shown, the complexity is amazing. But also amazing are the odds that it could happen by chance alone when you think of how many stars and how many galaxies are out there. I know it seems like a design, and you may be right about that. But saying all of this cannot happen by chance, just because it’s too perfect, I don’t see the logic. Think about how many examples there are of it not working. Like you say, we, humans, humans in this timeframe of 2007, which is a made up reference point, but a reference point nonetheless, don’t know of any other examples of life outside of our own little solar system. When you think about the possibility though, that it could happen elsewhere, even if not human, that life could exist. I mean, it’s astounding. And can go the other way too. Maybe you’re right. Maybe our designer is a complete moron. And he/she got it really really really wrong A LOT of…..
A LOT
of times. Like a 6th grader with a 1 average at mid-term. That’s almost just as unlikely. But possible. They key word is possible.
I guess I’ll use the old comparison, if you put enough monkeys in a room for a long enough time, they will eventually write the Bible. Eh, I’ve never QUITE believed this, but, maybe when dealing with true infinity, it’s possible? Not sure.
Also, do you separate animals and humans into two categories on purpose, and if so, why?
Now bring in the christians/muslims/hindoes etc. please, I want to hear the other opinions too![/quote:1ylcrwu3]
Agree. Thank you Tree Spirit.
I don’t believe in anything.[/quote:39b55qw3]
If you don’t fall for anything, you’ll stand for something.
*Please, someone get this……..please.
That is very true; in America, there are a significant number of people who claim to be christian, yet only do so out of peer pressure or because they think that that’s what they’re meant to do. However, more and more people are realising that it’s becoming acceptable to be a self-declared Atheist/Agnostic.
But there is still pressure: a majority of American voters said that they wouldn’t vote an Atheist into power, despite an Atheistical perspective possibly being better (less religious bias)[/quote:43ret7qs]This is not really a shock. What this means to me, again, just to me, is that atheists/agnostics are probably comfortable voting in a religious follower to lead their country rather than one of their own. Why? Because they are smart enough not to rock the boat. Again, if 98% believe, fuck it, let em.
We are made up of billion cells. We are not however made up of billions of elements. there aren’t billions of elements. look at a periodic table; that details every element that has ever existed, that has been recorded (i use the past tense as some elements were made under labratory conditons and lasted for only a few nanoseconds before decomposing). And… uh… everything is the same age. All that has existed has always existed – but on a microscopic level. i.e, the level of electrons/protons/neutrons/quarks has remained constant, just in different staes. (boy i’m being pedantic)
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Ok, yes, again, I see what you’re saying, but we are indeed made up of billions of elements when you consider the possibitlity, rather, necessity that you are allowed to use one or more of the same element. I.E. 2 Hydrogens, 3 Heliums, 147,322 Irons, etc. Billions upon billions.
All that has existed has always existed. Now you sound religious.
Such an absolute!!!Anyway, I disagree when you consider that mass can turn into energy, and vice versa. I know you think energy is intangible, however, when those hydrogens and heliums turn into heavy metal machines, a certain part of the reaction is converted into heat. I’m sure another portion may be converted into light, otherwise, you wouldn’t see supernovas. Anyway, I’m no expert on these things, but when you consider the ins and outs of these two universals, mass and energy, things are created and destroyed. Or rather, converted from one to the other.
Essentially, what I’m saying is that all elements are not the same age. They are born, converted, or converted, then born.
Which brings us to our next topic: Entropy. Would anyone like to get this started?
If you are going for "definable" levels of colours, though, technically there are 9 : ultraviolet beyond the blue on the visible spectrum, and infrared beyond the red on the visible spectrum.
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Yes, seeing as how these are not inside the visible spectrum, I decided to eliminate them from the competition.
That’s like saying microwaves are next on one side, then gamma. I was referring to the visible spectrum only.And there was a pro-religious argument stating "First, there is the ontological argument. This argument basically says that since over 98% of people throughout history, in all cultures, in all civilizations, on all continents believe in the existence of God â there must be something (or someone) causing this belief."
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There are different types of civilizations throughout the history of the world. What’s interesting is that there is a correlation between the types of civiliations and the type of god(s) they believed in. Indians/Mayan believed in creationism. Romans had polytheism. Right? God, religion is the worst. Anyway, that 98% thing, first of all, where did that come from? Just because Akhenaten believed that Ra was the Sun God, and pushed this belief on his followers, doesn’t mean that you can say that all those people truly believed it. I bet that 98% is skewed beyond belief. Just like as many people who claim to believe in God, might be saying that for fear of reprimand or because they are too narrow-minded to question it.
I think the reason that we all believe in "something" is because we’ve all had that moment where we go, wait a minute. WTF is this? Really! WTF am I doing? WTF am I doind HERE? Right now? WTF? And that’s all you can say…so we come up with religion to explain what we cannot ever understand and also what we fear. The unknown. We explain it all away with stories and fables about the holy and spiritual. It comforts us. We are human. I think it’s part of what makes us human.
So you have contemplaters, throughout history, men with a lot of time on their hands. They think. They come up with explanations for what they are seeing everyday. For death. For birth. For rain. For conquering other countries. For killing other men. It’s all a big power struggle. You just need enough sheep to follow you around and you can shepherd the world.
Good points all around. I’ve always struggled with accepting Christianity. I don’t know a whole hell of a lot about it, and won’t pretend to.
I do know that the King James version of the Bible was rejected numerous times before a version that suited the king was created. This is a huge pile of shit. Right there, you have divine word converted into interpreted word, and not even a direct translation. A translation that suited the king. And this is the main version followed by Christians today. Seems like in order to put faith into a book so subjective at this point, is very lame.
So, I used to think about evolution. Like, what is the ultimate form of life. Of energy. Only thing I could come up with is light. Not saying we will evolve into light, but light is so mysterious to me. It has particle and wave properties. It bends. It travels at 3000 m/s. Inherent within light is delay. I.E. when you look at galaxies or stars that are 100s or millions of light years away, you are looking into the past. Our interpretation of our surroundings are solely based upon light, how it’s traveling, etc. But it’s only a snapshot. Light is made up of 7 distinct colors, that are white when combined. Within those 7 colors, an infinite amount of colors are also contained within the transitions. Light is awesome. It’s all around, at all times.
Another thing I think about is heavy elements (iron, other metals) that are contained within our own bodies are only made from the death of stars (novas or supernovas). That’s it. So we are walking stars. In the most literal of senses. Think about that for a second.
Then think about the fact that you are a single entity, in your mind. However, you are made up of billions of cells, and those cells are made up of billions of elements. All these elements are different ages. You are a walking filter. Always taking in more and shedding just as much (in adulthood). So your makeup is always changing. And these elements could range in age from 1 year to 4.6 billion years. And that’s just our universe. So your fingernail could be billions of years older than the mole adjacent to it. Mind-blowing.
Which brings fractals into it. We take a microscope, we see cells, then compounds, then elements, then atoms, then electrons, protons, neutrons. Then quarks. Keeps going. Then we go the other way. We see continents, planets, solar systems, galaxies, then ultimately, the universe. Keeps going this way.
It’s anoetic. The human mind cannot begin to comprehend it’s place or purpose in this universe. In this time. We are so insignificant, it’s breathtaking.
So where does religion fit into all of this? I suppose for me, it does not really matter. I’m pretty sure I’m made up partly of a lot of dead people, animals, trees, etc. It’s like a revolving cycle. I think religion is just something we made up to deal with the ultimate fear that we have no fucking clue what is truly \"out there\".
That’s my speil. Thanks for listening. It’s all opinion, so take it for what it’s worth. Which in the grand scheme, is absolutely nothing.
I only have one Westwood promo. Sorry I’m not much help here. I know Arthur has many. Are these not chronicled on SPFreaks?
Maybe, and this really is wishful thinking, maybe they’ll record Gossamer and release that as a single? Or maybe as an E.P?
i doubt it. it’d be pretty cool if that did happen though
[/quote:3uwzg51l]Good point. They did record that for inclusion on some sort of release. Wonder is it will be a single or what?
Not sure. Maybe I phrased that wrong. I think Bleeding the Orchid is too long for radio play. I don’t think Billy would release 7 Shades of Black, as he commented on how it came from a place similar to where he was writing Siamese Dream. He would probably view that as rehashing.
Come on Let’s Go or Bring the Light are good guesses. Doomsday Clock already came out on the soundtrack. Machina had what, Stand Inside Your Love and I of the Mourning? Everlasting Gaze was never released as a single.
Adore had Ava Adore and Perfect. To Sheila and Crestfallen got some crappy promos, but no airplay.
Just seems to me no more singles from the big bad Zeitgeist.
