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he must have mixed up the year.
Bleed was played in Chicago 21 for sure.[/quote:3fv3iyov]
Exactly my thoughts, currently.Or was that the date when the name Smashing Pumpkins was suggested for the James/Billy/(Ron/drum machine?) band?[/quote:181sw6r7]
how would one remember an exact date for such an event? i doubt this is the case.the fact that they played a gig on the same date in 1988, makes me think that either we’ve got that date wrong (unlikely), or that billy mixed up that date with 1987. (omg! maybe he meant 1988! hahaha, arthur. the look on your face!
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Naaah, then we have to set the recording of I Fall to December 1988, and that is very hard to believe also. They did not play with a drum machine anymore, and D’Arcy and Jimmy already joined Smashing Pumpkins long before that… So I’m still going for 1987 as the start year of Smashing Pumpkins. And yeah, it is quite a coincidence that July 9 is also the date we know so far for the Chicago 21 gig. But in 1988. Or 1987 after all? Hmmm…Billy said this last night talking how the band has been around almost exactly 25 years. That was a direct quote date from him last night
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OK cool, thanks Geo! I’m sooo happy you picked that up! But what made Billy decide to see this specific date as the start date? As Cool suggested, did they play a gig then under the Smashing Pumpkins name? Or was that the date when the name Smashing Pumpkins was suggested for the James/Billy/(Ron/drum machine?) band?I don’t think they played a gig that early… But I might be wrong. Smashing Pumpkins was mostly James Iha and Billy Corgan jamming around at home (or in some studio maybe) a few times, and then at some point they decided to call it a band (at that date mentioned in 1987?) and move forward with it. Ron Roesing joined 1 or some jam sessions around 1987/early 1988, even a demo tape came from that session(s), and only when they were booked (is Chicago 21 venue on July 9, 1988, really the first gig they did? Is it a coincidence that Billy mentioned a date EXACTLY 1 year before this date?) they decided to play without Ron, but still use the drum machine. The rest is history… But still so many questions…
LOL, sorry… I didn’t know Twitter was blocked at your side!
That was a tweet by Geo who runs the SPfreaks Twitter account. He immediately quotes Billy during a speech(?) last night on that cruise ship in Chicago, and takes a pic at (almost) the same moment I’m sure. That’s what I make out of it.
But I also want to know more about the context why Billy said such thing, why he is so detailed in this start date. Was it a question from the audience? Did Billy want to set something straight by himself?
another point of view: the start of the smashing pumpkins as the four of them.
both d’arcy and jimmy joined in 1988, if i’m not mistaken.[/quote:35bdt2zn]
Might be true, but when James Iha and Billy Corgan recorded the infamous I Fall track in December 1987 with a drum machine (as confirmed by BC himself), and when Billy put that track on the Gish/Moon Tape, that made it VERY CLEAR for me that the Smashing Pumpkins history dates back to the year 1987.
billy has changed the history of the band for years. the band only started in 1988, so he didn’t have to consider/talk about ron roesing as an ex-member of the band.[/quote:1q19xk7y]
True, that’s why Nothing Ever Changes will probably always remain a somewhat vague Smashing Pumpkins release.
Oh well, Smashing Pumpkins themselves sometimes made the same mistake for some reason…
This is an official 2000/2001 era shirt.
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can we get one of those t shirts here?[/quote:12sgmy64]
Yes you can, it is for sale here: http://www.spfreaks.com/?page=STOREThe man who is guilty of all this pleasure…
(Geo, that’s you, right? Please update us what happened!)
Is that Geo alright, on top of that ship?
Oh no, sorry, that will be tomorrow! Geo, will you post pics afterwards, if that is allowed? Looking forward!
(and now I know where it was announced: Facebook, 7 hours ago. I never go there, so please forgive me to have missed it…)
He created that place where things go missing, like one half of a pair of socks, and pens.
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Silly, awkward. Couldn’t go in there anymore when it was up. Then, when I wanted to go down on it, I couldn’t get there either. This was not the best advice ever, mister manilla.
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I didn’t know the "empty" numbers you created a while ago, so I continued where we ended. But you used some of the blank spots in the database just now already, thanks! Are there still many blanks left?[/quote:1t0qet9m]
i have an Excel spreadsheet with the blanks. there are many left. i can send your way, i just thought one person accounting for them would be easier?[/quote:1t0qet9m]
Yeah, agree.If I understand it right, the first Lucky13/SPRC release will be the last 2 full 1995 Double Door shows? Not bad, not bad… Quite awesome actually!
Awesome job, man.
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Thanks, and compliments humbly returned! I didn’t know the "empty" numbers you created a while ago, so I continued where we ended. But you used some of the blank spots in the database just now already, thanks! Are there still many blanks left?
BTW, note that on the Hisense AU ad the releasedate for Oceania Down Under is set to June 22.
I didnt realize that Billy Corgan would have a problem with the selling of it.[/quote:3qiz2n0g]
Billy will most probably not approve this…[/quote:3qiz2n0g]
Seller should have contacted me first before setting up this auction… (And what happened in 2005 then? Why was it ended suddenly back then?) Anyway, if Billy is clever he offers this seller a small but still fair price, and claims the return of this Q101 vinyl copy of Machina II back into his possession.
