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thats so funny. they need to get their facts straight.
i don’t think Billy in his "matching reflective kilt" would approve. 
[/quote:173koq4h]thats so funny. they need to get their facts straight.
i don’t think Billy in his \"matching reflective kilt\" would approve. it does kind of sound like Billy. it would have to be early though if it is. i haven’t heard much Marked though- didn’t want too, not the best.
got the download now, thanks Ice Cream
its not bad, darker than i expected with the title though. i can’t wait for a studio version.
oooh, download.
i wish i was at home, but i work such a long shift. 
i’m the only one who hasn’t heard GLOW except for those of you not hearing it on purpose. 
interesting thought Ice Cream- i haven’t heard it yet, but that sounds like a plausible explanation for the track.
holy crap,
i so wish i could watch it, but i’m at work. 
the suspense is killing me.
i think its neat they did Siva though. that will be cool to hear again. i still have to listen to it.
i didn’t get a chance, but it does sound intriguing. i like to hear something new once in awhile.but in buddhism you are reborn untill you are free from craving and ignorance, and then your mind attains Nirvana.[/quote:1s87rls0]
Can’t I just skip all that and listen to In Utero?[/quote:1s87rls0]
hehe, i considered making a Nirvana crack yesterday.
nice and yeah, thats pretty much what i was thinking about Superlord- Republicans, Moral Majority, Conservative Baptist stuff. hell Congress prays before each session. i guess so much for the establishment clause.
no thats fine.
i think that isn’t a bad way of seeing things- everyone has the same God they just relate to them differently. i think its much better than seeing your God as better than everybody elses.Freedom, but in harmony. You are free to do whatever you want as long as it doesn’t affect anyone else’s freedom.[/quote:2t7g5thu]
that reminds me of John Locke and John Stuart Mill.
hmm, interesting topic.
Iâm not really âreligiousâ personally. In fact Iâm quite turned off by the whole thing- organized faith, etc. I think it makes people feel superior to others and that most religions are quite corrupt and full of hypocrisy. I guess one of the main reasons I feel that way though is the way some of my relatives are. I have a couple aunts who use their religion to pass judgment on others and they feel that their beliefs are the only right ones and that everyone else is going to hell.
They annoy most of my relatives- not the most popular folks in the family- but I just REALLY hate that crap. I also really hate being preached too. I can’t stand it when people try to cram religion down my throat. I guess I get a bit pissed off over that stuff- canât help it. Plus, I too really hate how people think that their God loves everyone, except a big long list of people- homosexuals, Muslims, Jews, atheists, etc- itâs like you canât have it both ways folks. And I donât like the fact that âGodâ in most religions requires so much worship and adoration from the faithful and if âGodâ doesnât get it- to hell with you. It just seems ridiculous.
I do actuallly find religion to be an interesting subject though. I just prefer to study it in more of a scholarly manner like I would study philosophy or whatever. In fact I do study Russian religion and philosophy in conjunction with Russian history. I find Orthodoxy to be quite interesting. So I don’t mind discussing religion or reading about it just as long as people aren’t being self- righteous or trying to covert folks. In fact I think itâs necessary to have an understanding of world religions when studying Literature, History, Art, etc. It just has played such a key role in so many areas over the centuries- it canât be avoided. Like Cult Hero said, I do believe in separation of church and state though, unfortunately in reality that doesnât happen, even in the US which is all big on that.
As for my own beliefs though I guess I would say I have some sense of the spiritual or at least of there being something beyond our normal understanding. Iâm not âreligiousâ and I donât owe any allegiance to a god, but I guess I would say I have a sense of there being a certain energy to this world. Plus I think there must be something beyond the scientific to oneâs consciousness- the mind, soul, spirit- whatever makes us more than just flesh and few neurons. Itâs hard to explain. And like bullet I too think there is something to the concept of past lives although I wouldnât admit it at home because I would look nuts. I think some people are just old souls. I myself feel that way. Plus, I have had this weird thing with Russia, esp. late 19th into The Revolution, ever since I was a little tot- no real reason for it either.
I donât know. My beliefs make no sense, not even to me, but I guess there is my two cents.yeah, i think there is still a good mix of older and newer fans, but there really are a lot of younger fans- look at thepumpkins.net. we keep going back to the fact that we are all pretty young on there- teens to 20’s- most of the forum. i must say though i don’t think most of the younger fans on thepumpkins.net weren’t roped in by Zeitgeist from what i can tell. it was still SD, MCIS, etc and many of us are still a bit jaded some like older fans regardless of the age thing. it all really depends on how you define young fan though. there is the young fan who was a kid in the 90’s but heard the pumpkins and loved them as much as any other hardcore fan and the young fan who is just now discovering the band through Zeitgeist. so even there its not so clear cut. a young fan in terms of age can still be an old fan of sorts.
it was a good bit though from Billy and Jimmy.
whoa, i always feel like i missed out when i don’t log in until way late.
i do think people shouldn’t bitch about setlists. its there show and besides we all like everything anyway and listen to those songs over and over again on our own. plus, seeing the band right there before you with the all the energy and everything- what more could you want? who cares if its the same songs for every show- they kick ass every night and its a privilege to be apart of it.
and it does seriously blow about the box set.
i was looking forward to that- damn Virgin. 
