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They are far and away the most creative, and the most technically talented band not just of the 90’s but at least the last 30/40 years.
The fact that to this day nobody, and I mean NOBODY can approach their sound is testament to that fact.[/quote:3uma5peu]
I can’t really argue there. I always thought they were one of the best, most innovative bands of the 90s too. I would have to throw Sonic Youth in with them though. (another innovative, but underappreciated band)The other members, well…I know I’m going to step on toes by saying this…but really…their irrelevant, pinning for James & D’arcy is nothing but nostalgia, and that is all, the original line up of the Pumpkins hasn’t existed since 1996, get over it. Pumpkins bass lines are not complex, so the bass player is always replaceable, and D’arcy never had any creative input in the band.
James was a good guitar player, and certainly brought his own touch to the live shows, he also co-wrote a handful of songs, I’ve nothing but love for the guy, but at the end of the day, the smashing pumpkins is Billy Corgan, listen to James solo album if in doubt, his Evan Dando style pop sensibilitys are not found in SP.[/quote:3uma5peu]
I still love James and Darcy, but you have a point. It just takes Billy and Jimmy to make an SP album. All others really are replaceable. I suppose it won’t be long before we say goodbye to Ginger and Jeff.â¦a huge part of the appeal of SP to me is that they don’t have 2 albums that sound that much alike. So many bands are content to do essentially the same thing over and over again, not that there is anything inherintly wrong with that, a good thing is a good thing whatever way you look at it. SP however like to create something…which becomes popular….and then completley drop it and move onto something else, I’m sure they’d find more comercial success if they didn’t do that, but then….they wouldn’t be the Pumpkins….they’d be Pearl Jam.[/quote:3uma5peu]
True, I love the variety in their music too. Itâs always evolving. To them music is about their own personal expression and artistic growth, not making a buck- and it shows.Which brings me on to a ridiculous public perception of the Pumpkins and Billy Corgan in particular.
I’ve heard the words "sell out" and "careerist" used a lot in reference to SP.
Right off the bat we can disregard the latter as anyone who uses that to describe a band or an artist that has committed "career suicide" on so many occasions is obviously an idiot.[/quote:3uma5peu]
Lol- True, they have definitely committed career suicide on many an occasion. Iâm glad though, as we got some great music out of it.They were the first band I ever heard that I didn’t loathe; they introduced me to the majority of my top 10 bands (Joy Division, the cure, Bauhaus etc.)[/quote:3uma5peu]
I agree. The SP where the first rock band I ever really got into and I have found myself checking out other bands because they have influenced the SP somehow. Thatâs how I discovered Joy Division and a bunch of others too.The problem is that there are Smashing Pumpkin fans, those who like the band, their way of doing things, the way they view and approach things, and then there are smashing pumpkin fans who like their songs, and just want Billy to stop jamming out on stage and to play "Today[/quote:3uma5peu]
Yeah, I hate when people are bitching about the new stuff and acting like what they are doing now is un-Pumpkin of them. I also hate it when people can’t get over the big singles and find appreciation for the SP as a whole; not only the songs, but their way of doing things. Personally I really respect the fact that they are one of the few bands in it for the music and the whole creative process. Itâs always elevated them in my mind. Itâs one of the biggest reasons I love the so much and one of the reasons I think there music never loses anything over time for me. I mean I hear stuff I like- a good rock song, whatever- but the catchy commercial stuff loses its luster. It lacks that extra something you get with the Pumpkins that makes them kind of timeless.Were you sleeping Arthur?
This is the same Rhinoceros video everyone one was going on about awhile back.
Thats ok, we forgive you for missing that though. Its still a cool video.
I wish I could get the SP to contribute to my school projects.
Interesting. A Russian bootleg then. I wonder why they put MTV on the back though- it does throw you off. I guess to make it look legit.
As for how they choose the tracks, I think they have a lot of wierd bootleg song sets in Russia for the SP. I have seen quite and few, as I download a lot of music off of Russian and Ukranian mp3 sites. It probably does come from mp3s or something. It wouldn’t suprise me. They sell downloads for some interesting stuff on these sites. There is even a Ukranian site that sells all of the demos. I pretty sure they probably just come off of RSPAA and bootleg CDS too.
I want a CD too, I just wonder if they could even keep doing that. They are kind of on their own now.
My hope is it’s not a digital-only release[/quote:7vhemkax]
I know what you mean. I hope its not a digital only thing too.
I wonder how they will be releasing music now though, esp. without a label. It probably will be itunes or something.
Can you even release CDs without the backing of a label or something? I know they have released a few things in the past on their own, but can that be done on a large scale with something like a regular album? Is digital really their only option? I don’t know, but its something to think about. Zeitgeist/ AG could be the end of regular physical releases.
Plus they won’t have the funds anymore- at least not like you get with a label.
I saw that on ebay and searched around a bit myself to try and figure out what it was. I got nowhere though. I didn’t know there was a MTV CD like that. Maybe it was a magazine thing or something.
yeah, i do that too some, but most of my ebay buys always tend to be SP stuff. i just want a few other things now, that are a bit pricier.
i’m on a bit of a Pumpkin burnout i think. i just kind of want to hear other stuff and get other stuff.
i’m sure i will be back on the Pumpkin train again here soon though.Isn’t it hard to stop buying????? I swear, something always comes up.[/quote:38rrum89]
to true
i’m terrible about it too. i need to stay off of ebay, but there is so much cool stuff to be had.
i think i’m going to put my money towards some non-SP related stuff for awhile though.
I don’t want it to sound like pre-Zeitgeist Pumpkins, I don’t want it to sound like Zeitgeist, I Don’t want it to sound like American Gothic.
Part of the reason the Pumpkins have always appealed to me so much is the constant evolution of their sound, always moving forward, relentlessly, none of their albums really sound that much alike, so what I’m hoping for is something totally new.I have no doubt I’ll be into it anyway, so far Billy has yet to disappoint me with any of the music he has made in the Pumpkins or outside of them.[/quote:23un6hl2]
I agree. I like how they constantly evolve too. I’m sure I will like whatever they put out.
I have to admit though, although I like The Rose March, American Gothic didn’t appeal to me that much. Its not horrible, but I couldn’t get into that one so much.
they are, have you ever really looked at a chicken, like one on a regular farm, or if someone just has them? they are evil looking, and all they want to do is peck at your feet.[/quote:2skpayp9]
they do that because they know you want to eay them.
i like asian food too. i always eat thai noodles and chinese food, but only vegetarian stuff.
i’ve never really looked there before, but yeah thats a lot of posts. whats especially crazy about is that we all post so much and only 10 or so people visit regularly. plus we’ve only been here 3 months. i guess we must like it here.
i don’t think there are rewards though like thepumpkins.net. your only reward is the knowledge that you are indeed a SPfreak.
i would still be mad.
my mom can’t throw away any of my stuff though, because she has never seen any of it. she would think i was nuts if she saw all of the SP stuff.
whoa, thats so sad. i would have a panic attack if my mom threw out my SP stuff.
that was a great price. i always love it when i find something for cheap.
