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Oh cool, luxe. How did you get to talk to Billy? What was he like back then? (Sorry for the annoying questions, Iâve just never read about anyone that talked to BC back before he was really famous).
Back to the topicâ¦as for the people fysche is tricking into believing herâ¦well, thatâs their problem, people shouldnât believe everything they read/hear simply because someone says so. Unless BC confirms it himself then it probably isnât true. He may be secretive at times but he doesnât strike me as a person that would keep such a serious relationship a secret.
By the way, if you want to hear some of these live recordings just go to archive.org almost every show from 2007 is uploaded.[/quote:2oqr2the]
Well, back in the early ’90’s the Pumpkins played in smaller venues and came to play in Santa Fe. I was out of college and on the party circuit and got tickets to both nights. It was *awesome* – there was no bad seat as it held less than 500 people. The entire show my friend kept saying "Billy keeps looking at you" and I’m like "yeah right". Afterwards, we went to the bar and I went to the bathroom. Came out and who’s sitting on a bar stool? Billy, himself. Drinking orange juice as he is allergic to alcohol. So I came up and sat down by him and we talked for a long time. Mostly about how he would get on stage and some nights the audience just was *not* into it and then other nights he’d see a person who was totally hearing them (which he said was me that night, so guess my friend was right) and it made all the difference. We also talked about their Siamese Dream tour and they had just returned from Australia and he was very animated when he talked about his wife, Chris. Said she loved it there. He asked me a lot about New Mexico and stuff like that and was the most humble, kind, and eloquent person I have ever spoken to. I had the PO Box that was used back then for fan mail and he got my address and we were pen pals for about a year. A few months after I met him they hit it *big time* due to headlining Lollapolooza (sp?) and after about a year correspondence cut off – I was getting married and finishing my graduate degree and he was *very busy*. But sometimes he’d surprise me. My friend in Florida met him and told him that I was crazy about him and fortunately I have a name that is so unusual you probably have never heard of it before – so he knew exactly who my friend was talking about. My friend says "she loves you" and about a week later I got a cocktail napkin from Billy that said " (My name), I love you, too".
All I can say about him is that he was well grounded, humble, kind, and did not appear to be into the whole rockstar genre. He was very quiet but eloquent. I am not sure he knew back then how huge they were yet to become. I stayed out until 5 AM talking with him and he was awesome. I didn’t see any of the other bandmates come out after the show. I also remember that he’d obviously showered and was wearing his usual, long-sleeved, striped shirts. He also still had a headful of hair – but this was early ’90s and I miss those days. Their PO Box that used to be maintained by their friend Laura is now gone as they get way too much mail for a friend to handle. I miss the Gen X days. . but am lucky I had them. Look on the memorabilia portion of the site as I sent a picture of the cocktail napkin to this web site. Also, he’d send me letters on crazy things – one was written on a blank invitation to a girl’s birthday party. The kind you buy in the store and fill out to send to guests. Just random stuff (of which I have saved every little thing).
Sorry this was long but I truly believe he is as nice and kind as he was then but is now wary of his private life being upset. From what I understand (and I did not hear this from him) his wife Chris just could not handle a life of fame. Kinda a double edged sword. I know that he has said in later years that he doesn’t consider himself famous.
~luxe
ps/During the show he broke 3 guitar strings and rocked the house for 3 hours. Soma and Silver Fuck were the 2 best songs I heard that night. He is such a talented musician. James was pretty funny and made a lot of campy jokes.
I wouldn’t say this, because i agree that all that she wants is attention, but since someone started hehehe
besides all the sites that you have refered she has one acount on livejournal, and recently i saw a comment on sp official site with a nickname that was very sugestive that it was her too, i just can’t remember now.
she’s trying to get our attention everywhere.
she even posted comments on a youtube video of the lisbon concert (she says she was there).one thing i can tell you, if she was married to him, she wouldn’t have time to be on the internet all the time to create this nonsense webpages. (hum… if i was married to him i woudn’t spend my time on the internet
)[/quote:99yllem6]Yeah, if I was married to him I’d be off the Internet and also quit trying to telepathically communicate with him. I’d want it to be far more up close and personal. .
I was wondering if what you saw on their official website was a shout out to someone named "Ve". If so, I thought that might be for her, too, but it turns out Ve is a friend of theirs and she is the lady at the end of the video for "That’s The Way (My Love Is)", but it is not Veronica.
Well, as I told Ladyn, I started this thread because there are people (me and other my space fan folks) who want a place to debunk rumors about her- so if that’s not for everyone that’s cool but I want to hear what others have to say so we can keep putting a lot of her crap to rest. After the first myspace pages people were absolutely going crazy and emailing the pumpkins mailing list on myspace and then her pages all were suddenly gone. I truly think the Pumpkins camp stepped in and stopped those pages (which she now claims were hacked).
It’s crazy that she is smart enough to calculate all of these places to try and prove the authenticity of the marriage. It’s scary crazy that she’s hitting web sites like youtube and Craig’s list for her moving sale from CA to Chicago. I just wonder if people showed up for her "estate sale".
You all have given me a lot more info as to what he has said regarding his marital status since I haven’t been to any of their shows this year. Thanks for that. . and please tell us more if you like.
Hey it’s okay luxe…I think it’s sad because people out there who really don’t know a good history of the pumpkins or billy, and don’t know this fyshe gal, believe this crazy rumor. Like people posting congrats and stuff on myspace, when they have no clue.
Anyways, I don’t know anything 100% because I don’t have ins anymore with people who are close to the band. But, I read somewhere that Billy stated at the Cleveland or was it Cincinatti (??) concert that he "didn’t have a wife, and was looking for a fine Ohio woman"…. and numerous times at other concerts he states he’s single.
btw, Fysche is in her early 30s..[/quote:ciouspfp]
Why does it not surprise me that she lies about her age, as well as everything else. My friend at the Asheville shows did see her and saw her leave with the band so it was a bit strange trying to understand that one.
I think that people not obsessed with Billy (like we are, not like kooky VG) know that this is way off the mark but others don’t and think "wow, she married a rock star". It’s sad but she’s savvy enough to put in the effort to keep the rumor up for those who don’t know much about him.
My personal opinion is that he has been told by his attorney to stay away from her and just not say anything to the public. He clearly did contribute to one of her books, as many rock stars did, and it would seem to me that he just doesn’t want to call her out. Also, he probably has many VGs and we’re not aware of them.
I think she probably gets backstage a lot since she’s bugged them continually over the past years and I am sure that when my friend saw her go on the bus w/ them it was before she started this marriage crap.
Thanks again for the update. I wish Billy would either marry me ( ha ha ha) or get back with Chris Fabian,k whom I think he really still loves, but that is just speculation.
~luxe
I dont want to pm you or talk to you.Or debate you either or anthing other wise after insulting me thanks.It’s ended.Have a day .[/quote:3epjm6eg]
Cheers to you also.
Bravo and i can tell your age to.I say a kid.If your not boy that’s sad.[/quote:3j98xsm5]
I am not even going to dignify that with a response. As I suggested earlier, if you want to continue this debate, then start a new thread or PM me.
~luxe
(ooh, I’d better log off and go to bed. I have kindergarten in the morning).
Clearly i had to tell that i am very Educated,for some reason you didn’t think I didn’t know what yank meant.Clearly a 2 year old knows what it is and means.Very much of insult to me.
No ,i don’t always agree with peoples opinion.I don’t argue with people here online.For that fact is it is sinceless and immature to do so.I see no point in it.I also see no point in blowing something out of the water ,that wasn’t meant to be something you thought it was.If you don’t like what someone says,it best to not say nothing ask them what they mean first before you jump and start something or say something about it.As for being off the subject stop again adding fuel to the fire.We all can get along.Don’t be so super senative,like person said they didn’t mean what you thought,you blow it up to something it not.I’m done commenting on the subject period.
by the way Kit’n you rock,someone jump for nothing and you be the bigger person about it.That’s totally kwel in my book.Hats off to ya.
[/quote:x0eu6h99]Bravo, Tree_Spirit. I defer to your superior wisdom (and grammar).
ps/Kit’n you do rock and I do appreciate your input. It was valuable and objective.
okay this thing needs to stop…
she shouldn’t even be talked about anymore, because we are just feeding the beast even more..
We all know she ain’t married to him…first of all there aren’t any pix of them together, I mean she does make 1,000 webpages devoting their marriage i.e. youtube, myspace, imdb, AND NO pictures?!??!
billy has stated numerous times at concerts that he’s single, and even stated in clear that he doesn’t have a wife, he’s looking for a "fine woman".. yadda yadda
With this new myspace page she doesn’t billy as friend or any other of billy’s personal friends, which shows something…
Do you really think billy would marry someone who states such personal detail about their relationship on the internet, when billy is very private about his love life? This shows how all these webpages she makes, feeds into her fantasy and adds to her story.. Lemme see, how many websites did Yelena make when they were together?? hmmmmm..
isn’t this proof enough?? she even makes excuses for her story to make sense, like happily married men don’t have to wear a wedding ring…to make reality fit to her story (billy aint wearing a ring)
and WTF is her obession with David Cronenberg?? He’d better watch out as well.
I shouldn’t even have said even that much…because it’s just more attention… this really should be the end of this topic…[/quote:3cq36re9]
I do agree w/ you that we are feeding a beast, but I haven’t been following Billy enough these days to hear that he has said he was single or looking for a "fine woman". I am very glad to know that he has said those things because I did not know that.
I do not know what her obsession is w/ Cronenberg or with Stephen Speilberg (sp?) but it blows my mind that someone has the audacity to post names of people who were supposedly at their wedding, etc. I just can’t imagine lying like that.
Still, there is a lot of talk on myspace and many of the people who run the fan pages are very confused and I see a lot of posts about it.
I don’t think Billy would ever marry someone so narcissistic but then again, I don’t know him that well. I only knew him when he was married to Chris Fabian.
As for the question about her age – she’s in her "20 something" and supposedly holds the title of "Lady". .
I also cannot figure out how she can afford to literally follow the band to every destination. She must be a person of means that are beyond the ordinary person. I do know that she was very good friends w/ Linda Strawberry but I stress the word "was". . don’t know what happened with that.
I know Kristin Burns but I would never ask her about that as it would be inappropriate. I know her due to photography. She’s been on tour w/ the Pumpkins the entire time so she’d know for sure but I don’t want to ask her. Coincidentally, I spoke w/ Kristin when she was in Greece w/ the Pumpkins and she said it was scary w/ the fires and all and that they had to cancel a show. Then VG posted a picture of herself in Greece that showed her by a pool – which was a bit contradictory to what Kristin had said.
This is gossip, but what isn’t when it’s about people we don’t really know all that well? I started this thread to specifically debunk her claims, so please don’t be offended if people do want to reply. That is exactly why I started a new thread.
Thanks again, Ladyn, for your info. I understand and respect it if you don’t want to talk about it anymore, even though there will inevitably be more posts. Again, that is why I started it as a new thread.
~luxe
I don’t argue with people.I was born and raised in America.I’m very educated.Your blowing things out of the water.And reading stuff into something that is not there.Have a nice day.[/quote:1slrgap3]
Clearly you do disagree with people and that is fine w/ me. I’m sorry you feel you had to validate your personality and education. I don’t believe anything I said indicated you had to be super educated to grasp a concept of a benign word being used as a racial slur. Clearly I explained why that word is a problem for me.
You have an opinion and I have an opinion–both of which should be respected . Just because I don’t have the same view as you (or anyone else) that doesn’t make my point invalid. A true discussion is open to all angles, not just the peaceful ones.
Just as you think I am blowing things out of the water, I believe you do not understand the reasons why it upset me and since this is a forum, I am allowed to voice an opinion as much as you are.
I don’t care where anyone is from (which was one of my points from the beginning) on this forum, as long as they love the Pumpkins. I admit – it was upsetting to me to read how much people do not like the US and I didn’t feel it should be relevant to this forum. I fully admit that I was upset when I posted my remarks but I am not sorry for what I wrote — I just feel that we should have moved it to a separate thread.
It’s fine that you don’t like what I have to say or that you don’t understand where I am coming from. I respect that and just wish you could respect what I had to say about the issue, as well. Things that may not seem a big deal to you might be a huge deal to someone else and vice versa. If it were the other way around, instead of being angry and saying I am blowing things out of proportion, I would have taken the time to ask why this upset you so much.
All that being said, this is way off the subject of the forum. If you want to discuss this further that is fine. You can post it as a new thread so all can read or you can private message me. Or we can meet in the middle and let our opinions lay where they are and respect one another.
~luxe
Well, I’m Canadian… and you can call me a Canuck anytime, it wont hurt my feelings.
I decided to do a bit of research, as I was uncertain exactly what a "Yankee" is. Webster’s Dictionary defines it as: inhabitant of U.S.A., esp. of New England, or of the Northern Stages. -a. belonging to the U.S.A. From what I read the orgin of the word is from when British General James Wolfe referred to the New England soldiers under his command as Yankees: "I can afford you two companies of Yankees." The "Yankee and Pennamite" war was a series of clashes over land titles in Pennsylvania, 1769, in which "Yankee" meant the Connecticut claimants.
Now let’s have some more fun, and look up Canuck: n. (sl) (French) Canadian. Wikipedia says: Canadians use "Canuck" as an affectionate description of nationality and the word carries no particular patriotic overtones. A few Americans misinterpret "Canuck" as an offensive noun but would be hard pressed to find a Canadian, French or English, insulted by the word.
So why can’t we all just get along???
I’ll be the bigger person here if I must, and say no harm was intended… and if I insulted anyone, I am deeply sorry.
Kit’n[/quote:2pecj6q0]
Thank you, Kit’n for taking the time to look into the words. The thing about being called a "Yank" is that Yanks were those who treated every race equally (which is a good thing) but those who called people "Yanks" meant it as an insult, as a synonym to someone who is sympathetic to a word I absolutely will not say. So it’s derogatory because those who have beliefs with the Confederate Nation say that as a slam to those (like myself) who believe all races are equal.
I was shocked to realize that there was still such biases in this day and age. I was not prepared for it when I married someone who has roots from the deep south, but please note he is not a racist at all. When I brought a friend to visit at our beach house down south who is not Caucasian, his relatives (not him, personally) were so racist to her and called me a Yank. It was horrific to see that kind of racism with people who are young and not of an era that supported racism. I told them later that I am of Spanish descent and that was also not okay.
Thus, I am very uptight when I hear the word "yank" as it is meant to be a derogatory slur.
You are the bigger person and the word just has a horrible attachment for me and my apologies for being hypersensitive about that word.
I realize that you didn’t mean it as a bad thing. It’s just very hard for me to understand how people can be so racist in these current times (not you, but people that I have experienced). Truly, some people still fly the confederate flag and believe that they are somehow superior and it boggles my mind and makes me very sad. America is supposed to be a melting pot of different nationalities and it is hard for me to see the old ways still rearing their ugly heads – but that isn’t your fault. Again, you have my apology and hope you can understand why it upset me.
My apology to you and thank you for looking into the words.
~luxe
To tell you the honest truth, I never really was that fond of Americans (sorry for those yanks out there). But I learned that it’s not the people I dislike, but it’s the politics I really don’t like. And from what I’ve heard a lot of Americans disagree with what’s going on with the wars and such as well. So now, I’ve learned to love the people… ah… isn’t that cute?
Kit’n[/quote:3taekehb]
This was not meant as any insult or a racial slur. If you took the time to read the post.Or did they mean any insult by it.It’s their cultural ways.I am American myself and took no insult to it.This is a forum board with many people and opinion as i see it.THEY ALL have the right to voice theirs as they see it here.I seen no hate coming from no one here.We were having a chat that start from this comment which we all took it in the wrong way, because it was a song.
Well I’m proud to be an American, where at least I know I’m free.[/quote:3taekehb]
You make it sound like America is the only place where people are free.[/quote:3taekehb]It’s a song. A very cheesy song.[/quote:3taekehb]
I seen no one being insulting or being immature but all of us having a mature chat about our post.Only person that took things in the wrong way was you.Not to be rude,but did you actually read the whole chat.[/quote:3taekehb][/quote:3taekehb]
Yes, I did read the whole chat and if you are not offended by being called a "yank" than maybe you don’t know what it really means. It’s horrible and filled with the notion that we are racists. I’m sorry but that is offensive, even if it wasn’t meant to be.
Well I’m proud to be an American, where at least I know I’m free.[/quote:2fksbpem]
You make it sound like America is the only place where people are free.[/quote:2fksbpem]exactly. besides that there’s this unchristian deathpenalty in some states and the us supporting wars everywhere only because of oil while same amount of money could feed whole africa for years and years on. and you guys think its normal to have guns everywhere around also. i mean holland sux but us sux even more. i dont understand billy being proud im not saying all us people are same[/quote:2fksbpem]
I am very proud to be American. That doesn’t mean I am proud of what is going on in Iraq. You can’t put it all in a neat little box and think that just because our country is in a bad place at this time that we are not proud of it for other reasons. There are so many reasons, present and past, that make me proud as hell to be from the USA. I back Billy 100%. The media is great at only showing the bad and the ugly. Not usually does it show the good things that happen here.
As for Christianity – in my mind that should not even be paired with being an American. Again, I realize that we have a President that has crossed the line of "separation of church and state" over and over again but that does not mean the people of the US are okay with that. Not all of us are Christian in the US. Surprise but we aren’t. I’m not Christian but I am American and I respect all religions as it is a personal choice, not one of nationality.
Do you actually believe that we like what is going on here? Do you think we like seeing the flags at half mast every week because another soldier has died for a cause that none of us support? Do you think we like waiting to get that one email from our loved one who is in Iraq against his/her will because they joined the Armed Forces in another time when it wasn’t for a war they didn’t believe in? Do you know how we live with the sinking feeling when we hear of another car bomb that has gone off in Iraq and has "US casualties".
My grandfather served in WW2 and lived in torment until his death about the things he saw. My father was in the Navy for 35 years and my father-in-law a Green Beret in Vietnam. These men do not sleep at night because of the haunting memories that they endured for their country. They gave their lives thinking they were making this world a better place and they are true heroes to me.
Forget the politics — no one disagrees that Bush is a whacko who should not be our president. But the US soldiers in Iraq are not there necessarily because they believe in it but because they took an oath and are staying true to that.
Don’t judge every American on the premise of our political system because that is a huge mistake. We all hate what is going on and want it to end. We have been to funerals of people who have died over there and we know it is all for nothing. Maybe be more sympathetic to the average American than being judgmental.
Despite the many bad things that are going on here – I can honestly say I know of many good things our Government is doing. I worked for the Department of Energy for 14 years and we have stopped building weapons and have started working on things like the Human Genome Project or finding a cure for AIDS and cancer. We have the top notch scientists from all over the world — probably from each of your countries and we are respectful to their beliefs and ideals, as much as we are of our own. My point — you can say a lot about the bad things in the US but unless you live here, you don’t see the good that is being done.
I am proud as hell to be an American and I hate Bush. Maybe that seems contradictory to most of you but if you lived here, you’d get it. We have no control over the ridiculous political system so we try and make peace and work on things that better this earth in our small little places in the country. To judge us by our politicians is a sad mistake.
~luxe
To tell you the honest truth, I never really was that fond of Americans (sorry for those yanks out there). But I learned that it’s not the people I dislike, but it’s the politics I really don’t like. And from what I’ve heard a lot of Americans disagree with what’s going on with the wars and such as well. So now, I’ve learned to love the people… ah… isn’t that cute?
Kit’n[/quote:i62w2jxg]
Dear lilkitn + the others who had comments about Americans,
If you were an American, as I proudly am, you would not throw the word "yanks" around so easily. It’s very offensive to most Americans who are not in the same belief as many of our Southern folk. To call any American a "yank" is almost as bad as using a racial slur.
I find the insults about Americans to be fairly critical, and not necessary. We’re not here to talk about politics or nationality. If you actually spoke to the every day US citizen you’d find they have a lot of disagreement with the political system here.
This forum is about *the Smashing Pumpkins* not a slam on nationality.
If the forum truly hates Americans then you will lose a lot of potential information, etc. as being Americans, we all had the fortunate experience of knowing about the Pumpkins before they even parted from US soil.
I think you owe every US citizen on this forum an apology. It’s appalling this day and age to have such baises when you don’t even probably know enough of us personally to count on one hand.
If this is the general consensus on this forum, please let me know right away and I will happily remove myself, along w/ memorabilia that I contributed from this forum.
So please, dear folks let us bad old Americans know if we’re good enough for this forum.
~luxe
i didn’t really like that blog. it’s quite whacko. and not ha-ha whacko, but ouch-whacko.[/quote:19ls1q5j]
For once I agree with Cool As Ice Cream, I thought the blog was very strange. It almost validated the rumor that he is married to Veronica Grey, as it was written in such style.
More on that in another thread. . .
It’s too bad he doesn’t want to play old songs anymore, although I do understand that to him they must seem very overplayed. I would love to hear "Suffer" or "Obscured" or "Soma" any time.
~luxe
Thanks for the info, ladyn.
I smell bullshit because Fysche seems to have several different versions of her stories, none of which add up. Interesting that she and a friend created the wedding journal, if I read your last post correctly.
I suspect that Billy is staying quiet because he doesn’t want to play into her game. Sometimes not giving someone the attention they demand is a good way to prevent things from getting out of control. Of course, I’m only speculating. It’s scary that she’s been following him since the Zwan days without any action being taken against her by Billy or band management. I wonder if they think of her as that "crazy but harmless woman that’s in love with Billy"?[/quote:3jy0zm44]
there are other crazy fans too out there that they don’t do much with either…so I don’t know, it would be very smart to keep her a far distance from the band, although she was at a lot of the asheville shows, but that was before the whole marriage rumors started… and the whole wedding journal is that I think VG wrote it and had help from her internet friend put it up or maybe type it up on the net for her. She gives thanks to this woman for her help.[/quote:3jy0zm44]
Welcome, ladyn.
I think it’s total crap. Again, there are so many things that don’t add up. She claims he’s been trying to get her attention for the past 12 years. . I don’t think so.
I do think she knows him, or has met him several times. It’s possible she had breakfast with him but probably 10 other people were there, too. I’ve heard from many people that even her close friends say she goes places to make it seem like she is with Billy but that he isn’t even aware she is there. Her friends say she’s lied about a lot of it in the past so I don’t think she’s changed much since then.
I think that the Pumpkins, or Billy, are not addressing it because of legal reasons. I bet they have been advised by their attorney not to. Again, there could be restraining orders and such that we don’t know about. She also has not been seen at any of the shows after the Asheville ones, even though she claims to be on tour with them.
Just for the year + that I was a pen pal w/ Billy, I don’t believe he’s married to her. He was very open about being married back then (to Chris) and was very proud to say so. He also was very proud and open about Yelena. I just don’t think so.
The other thing is, do any of us really think he wrote Zeitgeist just for her and that all the colors, etc are all for her?? He may do odd things but one thing he doesn’t screw up is his music. It would be an insult to Jimmy and the rest of the band if that was true — I mean that makes it sound like he’s managed to convince all these people to just write this album, go on tour, etc., etc. just for Veronica?? I highly doubt it.
I wish we could get a straight answer. But I also still stick to the theory that he is a ring guy and wore a wedding band when he was married to Chris and I see no band on his hand in any of the video shot after July 4th.
~luxe
so me and this veronica have been exchaning emails.. this is her reply to when i asked if she could send me pics of her and billy:
Veronica Grey-Corgan to me
My Laptop was Left in Chicago.
Can’t send Pics from Crackberry
Have You Been to / Heard of
The Virgin River in Utah?It’s Magical, like Us.
Thanks for Asking
[/quote:27pxxeqz]
That’s funny – when this news first came out, I emailed her too pretending like I was happy for them and when I asked where we could find pictures or hear Billy say something about their marriage she was totally evasive like above.
I think she’s beyond stalking and for all we know maybe he has done something about it. Restraining orders are not worth a damn in the US. . the person has to literally violate them for it to work. . but maybe he’s filed one anyway and is just keeping mum about it??
~luxe
First of all, i’m a girl, not a ‘he’
Second of all….The close friend of the band who I was in contact with said that she was ‘alarmed‘ by the entire situation and denied it.
Though, on another note, no one is denying that Billy knows VC. He’s met her on various occasions, from what I know. Which, to me, makes it even more strange that he hasn’t addressed the situation. At least in some form.[/quote:1pxfbxxy]
So sorry SNC for calling you a "he". I didn’t take a close look.
Well I still think that if the person who is close to the band is alarmed by it then I am pretty sure he is not married to her. If he was, then everyone would just accept it. Does that make sense?
~luxe
Welcome to the new members and don’t worry about your English. We’re all here for the same thing and I personally like having a more global perspective than just USA.
SNC stated that he knew a friend of Billy’s had informed Billy of the VG issue. Does that infer (sp?) that the friend knows it’s total crap and wanted Billy to be aware of it? If so, then we’ve got our answer as to if he is married or not.
As for knowing her, this is all based on speculation and some observation. My friend from NC saw many of the Asheville shows and said that VG was there all the time and it looked like she was with the band. However, my friend talked to one of VG’s friends and she said \"Veronica always goes to places where Billy is at — whether he knows it or not, just so it appears that they are together\". That was said by a friend of Veronica (anyone thinking this is a bit strange)?
I had just assumed he’d at least met her since she literally follows them and bugs the security team. Also, she quotes him in one of her dumb books on the back and I think if it’s published that it’d have to be legit. But who knows if she just merely wrote about him and he sent in a comment?
What I don’t understand is — how does she manage to have the time/$$ to go all over the place to follow him? What about a job?? She claims she has a career as an actor. Is she independently wealthy?
Maybe she’s become such an issue that Billy has spoken to his attorney and his attorney has advised him to say nothing. I’m sure that this happens a lot, although this case seems a bit extreme. Ok, very extreme.
~luxe
I wish Billy would just say something simple on this matter.
~luxe[/quote:25g63scu]
I wish he would too. That’d be a simple way to put this whole thing to rest and in fact i’m surprised that he hasn’t because I know he’s heard about it all.[/quote:25g63scu]
how do you know he knows this story?[/quote:25g63scu]
I wanted to know as well — has he made a statement about it?
My take is he knows her, he’s probably used to fans doing all sorts of crazy things (maybe even like this but under the radar) and also think he’s a nice guy and doesn’t want to totally crush her. If they are truly married I will feel very different about Billy because I believe she is a total narcissist and I can’t believe he’d be interested in anyone who flaunts the fame of their significant other.
Also, if he is telepathically speaking to her and the band, as she claims – -then I am going to really wonder if he’s all there, too. But I am pretty sure he is quite intelligent and not mentally off.
I did some checking about the IMDB pages and anyone can submit an actor to the site and it’s a lot like Wikipedia, they try and verify stuff but mostly leave it up to users to point out corrections, etc. So that means she just entered her own stuff and no one but us rabid Pumpkins fans even bothered to look her up on that site.
I *loved* the video w/ him and Courtney. He was totally shy about their sexual past. I also loved the one of him as a kid making a "sequel" to Aliens.
I’d love to know if he’s acknowledged this subject — so SNC, let us know!! You’ve given us lots of good info!
~luxe
I leave the comments up to you as I’m getting very sarcastic about this.
[/quote:1mi1wyyf] ah come on, sarcastic criticism is fun![/quote:1mi1wyyf]I can’t believe her. She is really out there. Maybe a lobotomy would help?? Are those still legal?
I hate to say this but me, the most skeptic about Veronica Grey, is almost convinced by this ad on Craig’s list. I really do not believe it’s true but who has enough smarts to put up posts in places like this to make her story be legit? I’m dumbfounded by her audacity.
As for the IMDB site, I saw it posted right when she first added herself to the list. I had checked the site out initially when I started hearing about her. She wasn’t listed. When she first got listed it said "info posted by fyschy", or something like that and was word for word as what is listed on her website, so I am sure she entered the info. herself. Give me a break!
I wish Billy would just say something simple on this matter.
~luxe
Yeah, she’s the same woman as at the end of the video. Her name is Ve.
Her myspace http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu … did=376082[/quote:1p9s5tcv]
SNC, this is awesome. It clears some things up. First of all, in the liner notes of Zeitgeist, BC gives thanks to a Ve. That was the only name even close to Veronica (as in the lame Veronica Grey), so now we know it isn’t her.
Also, some of us thought that the girl in the video might be Veronica Grey and now we know it is not!!
Thanks for this revelation!
~luxe
Sorry about the size — I’m on a road trip to Portland and don’t have any software on this laptop to crop.
Feel free to post it and cut it down to size. .
~luxe[/quote:3lodppuw]
Done luxe, and your napkin is uploaded here: http://www.spfreaks.com/?page=COLLDETAILS&item=1867
And your name is in the SPfreaks Hall Of Fame also now: http://www.spfreaks.com/?page=CREDITS
Here’s your
by the way.
Thanks, Arthur[/quote:3lodppuw]Hooray! I earned those suckers.
Thanks!!
~luxe
Sorry about the size — I’m on a road trip to Portland and don’t have any software on this laptop to crop.
Feel free to post it and cut it down to size. .
~luxe
