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Santa came early this year??
It was so cheap, it felt like a gift??[/quote:3uzx5d9t]
Haha no, really, it was a gift after all, though I paid it myself first.
Arthur, did you shipped her the tulips from kuekenhof?
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No, it wasn’t me… I only ship flowers to my girlfriend.Sorry to read this guys, but I guess it’s understandable… for at least 3 reasons. First, they played close to 100 gigs in less then half a year. They are probably tired. Second, we are not talking about a band in their creative & energetic (body and mind-wise) prime-time here. Though 40 (and Jimmy is even 43 I believe) is not that old, it comes with a different moodset, and different body abilities as in the Twenties. But the main reason is us guys. Us. We have grown older. We are not easily shocked or surprised anymore. We also have a different set of moods and feelings today, compared to 10-15 years back. We know what Siamese Dream did to us, we know what our first concert did to us. And that thing won’t come back. Never, admit it.
I’m not playing the band’s unpaid lawyer here. But I’m appreciating the new album and the recent concerts in a very different way. It’s AGAIN a new type of album, still rock, but a new set of songs on their own in the whole Pumpkins back catalogue. With a few pearls between them, again. Worthwhile of carrying the name Smashing Pumpkins, just my opinion. I went to Pinkpop this year to see them, and it was a good concert. Not awesome, but pretty good, I even had tears in my eyes when they played Gossamer. In 2000 I went to their farewell tour (Ahoy Rotterdam), and I didn’t like the concert that much. No atmosphere, awful sound quality (at least on the balcony where I was). But when I listen to the many recent concerts I download, I’m loving the little details, the solos, the few songs that rock out… Heavy Metal Machine from the AOL Sessions: AWESOME! But I do not get that general \"blown away\" feeling either of a whole concert. Because I’m not the guy anymore that gets blown away easily. Instead I get my own little
moments collecting their stuff, and finding little precious things sometimes… And listening to the old songs mostly. Anyway, get what I mean? We’re getting older, grumpier, and we can’t blame Billy and his band for that part. By the way, when you think of it… Billy NEVER was the guy to please 100% of the audience like a rockin’ Britney Spears. It’s always been like that, and that won’t change either I guess. And I just love that spirit, always did! That connection with Billy Corgan remains till today. Well, just my humble opinion, not trying to convince you of anything here…
Haha the news is spreading fast… We are being linked on SPLRA already:
http://www.splra.org/wiki/index.php?title=Tsp1992-01-19
OK, the MP3’s are on sp.com soon I hope, the lossless files will follow soon after I spoke to the DJ guy. I’ll ask for all the tech details and so on also. And maybe I can get a direct lossless transfer from cassette from him, would be even cooler I guess.
On a sidenote… just think of it, how many of these unsurfaced recordings are there around still?
This message came in from Livepumpkins.net today:
\"From: http://www.livepumpkins.net
To: @spfreaks.com">spf-contact@spfreaks.com
Date: 11/18/2007 06:16 PM
Subject: FeedbackHey this rules, thanks a bunch!… Will be posting soon.
Sorry about the trouble you experience while uploading.
Peace!\"
It’s not posted yet however.
It sounds like a different recording to me. The one on archive.org is soundboard, the one you got is audience, and a good one.[/quote:ab669ud7]
Nice discovery after all I guess (for 15 EUR)! It’s uploaded for sp.com now, but I see they are behind for a few days, as the oldest file in there is dated 05-11-2007. Hopefully it will be on there soon. Is there anything I can do right now for the SP community? Like creating lossless files and spreading it further? Or do more research with the DJ guy first? That might take a while maybe…i just noticed the "currently best available recording" i was talking about is already on archive.org, also available in mp3 format: http://www.archive.org/details/tsp1992-01-19.flac16
(sounds a bit too fast though…)the recording also seems complete (including "this is not a fucking love song"), but misses the audience before the first song, and the house music after the show has ended.
if the dj recorded this himself, then this is a completely new (audience) recording, previously unknown.[/quote:388wqp7r]
Ah well, then it is widely available after all huh In 20 minutes you get 2 songs (first and last) by Yousendit.com. Be patient… I hope you’re right about this "previously unknown" recording, would be cool. It could be possible, as you say the thing you just listened to is a bit too fast (the problem with Rawk also) so what is around now is the non-adjusted Rawk source maybe? This recording sounds like it’s on the right speed to me, and is definately not the Rawk source.
i just noticed the "currently best available recording" i was talking about is already on archive.org, also available in mp3 format: http://www.archive.org/details/tsp1992-01-19.flac16
(sounds a bit too fast though…)[/quote:12395oc4]
Cool, it saves me some work then, maybe, when it is the same source. What do you make out of:Source: SBD > WM-D6 > ANA-1 > DAT
Lineage: DDC-? > CDR-0 > EAC >FLACI’ll send you 2 of the MP3 files Cool As Ice Cream, maybe you can do a quick judgement. I’ll try first song and last song on your email now.
When I know more about the lineage I will get a lossless rip done for Archive.org (don’t want to bother them with MP3 of course
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it would be interesting to have one (short) track in flac to compare with the source that is already out there.i’m not sure what the lineages on splra.org all mean, but could it be that this show was recorded on cassette from the soundboard, and then broadcast on the radio? (see: ANA-?>FM>ANA-1>CDR) and that the dj recorded it from the radio on another cassette and made a transfer to cd-r with his cassette? (ask him if you have the chance.)
if so, the splra.org also lists another, in theory better, lineage for this show: ANA-1>DDC-?(32k)>SHN (no FM, no ANA-?)[/quote:1czgknrq]
Pfff, I’m rather new to this stuffs… I have to ask the guy, and I will. I presumed he was in the audience that night and recorded it himself. I remember now he said he used very good (and at that time expensive) equipment to record the show of the Pumpkins. What I like about it so much is that it starts with the audience shouting for the band, somebody says "Spelen!" (Play!) and at the end of the recording we hear James Iha freak out a bit more on his guitar after saying "This is not a fucking lovesong!" (not mentioned on SPLRA)… Then the concert is over, and after a while the venue’s own music starts playing. I would like to call it a full recording, with tons of funny details, more intro/outtro stuff, stage banter etc. as widely available (like via RSPAA). Anyway, in a little while you get the chance to judge yourself. I’ll see what I can do on the FLAC side, as I don’t have the software to do that (1 of the tech guys on this board always did this for me). Can you help me out a bit?Furthermore I traced down:
I Am One 7" vinyl for ⬠35,00 (good price I thought, will be send from the UK later when the seller returns home)
Mellon Collie French Delabel promo for ⬠30,00 (will be send from France, the French seller will also look for Adore Attention Evenement promo and another type of Adore Delabel promo, he thinks he has it at home… fingers crossed)[/quote:7sevmdir]
this is awesome. best finds ever!
i love those delabel promos. mcis promo for only â¬30??? amazing.
same goes for the i am one single. i know a second hand record store that sold i am one 7" for â¬350.[/quote:7sevmdir]
Yeah, but first see, then believe. Keep you posted.i don’t pay for bootlegs. since it’s not really decided that this is a bootleg, i will think about it. i will get back to you via email.[/quote:38c7o9bc]
Sure, I understand Cool As Ice Cream. No hard feelings when you decide to skip it. I might even keep it for myself. But I didn’t know how to reach you (next time we exchange phonenumbers OK?), so I took the risk to buy it, as you showed so much interest in this release.1992-01-19: other sources than the sped up bootleg source are already available.
check http://www.splra.org/wiki/index.php?title=Tsp1992-01-19
they even have the full show banter there (including "i don’t wanna play i am one", for example), so it’s not unlikely that the source that is already out there is as complete as the one you found.however! chances are that your source is a big improvement lineage-wise. so by all means, get it out there. (any chance you know the lineage of the cd-r source? was it first recorded onto cassette, for example?)
1991-09-01: several sources of this show also exist. http://www.splra.org/wiki/index.php?title=Tsp1991-09-01
once again, if this guy was a dj, it’s not unlikely he owns something better or more complete. worth checking out.[/quote:3taaum78]
This morning I ripped it in 320 kbps MP3, and it’s being uploaded on sp.com as we speak. I put a txt file to it with what I know so far (and some SPfreaks references of course ). However it states it might take up to 24 hours before it shows. Then I leave the judgements up to the professionals in the SP community. When I know more about the lineage I will get a lossless rip done for Archive.org (don’t want to bother them with MP3 of course ). As the guy is still on the record fair today, I can’t tell much about that now. But I remember him telling he was not on duty that night and was not able to do a soundboard recording, instead it’s a tape recording, put to a few CD-Rs for friends. He told me I got the copy he made for a female friend that never showed up. Maybe he tells that to everybody… I can only tell you what the guy told me yesterday. It is very well possible that SPLRA has exactly the same source for their information, as 1 of those CD-R sets might have been around already for a while.
This guy is living in Den Haag, and I got his email. He said he might have more stuffs about the old days of the Pumpkins, like flyers, posters, more recordings. He told me also he has been drinking a beer or two with Jimmy Chamberlin after a concert. He is now running a little alternative bar/dance hall called "Danslokaal Vredebreuk" in the centre of Den Haag. I can’t wait to meet him again, as you can imagine!
-2CD-R set from the former DJ of Paard, Den Haag, that recorded the January 1992 concert of the Pumpkins himself. We exchanged emails and promised to keep in touch for some more rare Pumpkins stuffs he says he has. I’m kinda excited about this funny discovery, I’m hoping it’s a better source as the Rawk bootleg. At least it’s on 2 CDs instead of 1…[/quote:13iji9rr]
Yup, I’m sure. As it contains all the stage banter, crowd noise, Jimmy starting in I Am One and then Billy saying "I don’t want to play anymore", then he continues with Luna (they play I Am One after that anyway ) and a much longer outtro of Girl Named Sandoz (James Iha going wild & spacey on his guitar for another minute, after saying "This is not a fucking lovesong!")… all this is not to be found on Rawk! So this is the full and unedited recording of Paard, Den Haag. And in a pretty cool quality also. Awesome discovery, to my opinion! * Mon 2/18 – Den Bosch, Netherlands – Brabenthalle
A Smashing Pumpkins gig at The Brabanthallen in Den Bosch?? Moohoo-moohoo!! Boe-hoe!!
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Being sarcastic Jeroen, but still going? Or is the venue not that good? I couldn’t tell, I’ve never been there…
-2CD-R set from the former DJ of Paard, Den Haag, that recorded the January 1992 concert of the Pumpkins himself. We exchanged emails and promised to keep in touch for some more rare Pumpkins stuffs he says he has. I’m kinda excited about this funny discovery, I’m hoping it’s a better source as the Rawk bootleg. At least it’s on 2 CDs instead of 1…[/quote:3dpu7buj]
My excitement is rising guys, this is quite a cool discovery! This 2CD set contains all the crowd noises before and after the songs, and even better… They played much more music as is released on the booties like Rawk. Window Paine lasts almost 8 minutes instead of 3 (the whole instrumental outtro is cut), Siva included a 1 minute instumental intro, which is cut on Rawk, and the sound quality is a bit better also!PS This is based on a quick non-thorough listen to CD I, but I’m almost pretty sure this set is worthwhile spreading!
Oh and the guy said he had good recordings of the 1991 "Ein Abend In Wien Festival" Doelen, Rotterdam also, which, as far as I know, have not surfaced yet also! There was a broadcast on tv if I’m right, but a proper spread of the music was never made I guess… These recordings are very special to me, as this Doelen, Rotterdam concert was, to my knowledge, the first gig the Pumpkins did outside US/CA!
hey and leave somthing for me ok
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Sorry… no chance, I took it all already Here’s my little report guys, from another fun day at a record fair.
After all I went alone as Lara’s fingers got crushed in a car’s door and had to go to hospital with 3 broken fingers. Awful accident! Get well soon Lara!
Nevertheless, I found (and bought) the following during my hit and run strategy, used at record fairs.
-3 Delabel promo’s for Disarm, Adore and Greatest Hits 2CD
http://www.spfreaks.com/Default.aspx?pa … LS&item=15 (for manillascissor, if he wants it)
http://www.spfreaks.com/Default.aspx?pa … LS&item=32 (for myself, as it has a rare sticker)
http://www.spfreaks.com/Default.aspx?pa … LS&item=40 (for manillascissor, if he wants it)manillascissor, I paid ⬠5,00 for that Disarm promo, and ⬠75,00 for that amazingly rare Greatest Hits Delabel set. Tell me which one(s) you like, otherwise I’ll sell them off on eBay or otherwise, OK?
-3 Asian Pumpkins DVD’s (2 Vieuphoria & 1 Greatest Hits, all uncertain background, but I’ll put some research in it to find out. They were pretty cheap anyway).
-2CD-R set from the former DJ of Paard, Den Haag, that recorded the January 1992 concert of the Pumpkins himself. We exchanged emails and promised to keep in touch for some more rare Pumpkins stuffs he says he has. I’m kinda excited about this funny discovery, I’m hoping it’s a better source as the Rawk bootleg. At least it’s on 2 CDs instead of 1…
And I found 1 Mellon Collie 3LP vinyl unnumbered & unboxed (for Cool As Ice Cream, if he wants it)
I took those numbers from Netphoria:
side A and B: set no: 7243 8 41655 12 and comp no: 7243 8 41656 11
side C and D: set no: 7243 8 41655 12 and comp no: 7243 8 41657 10
side E and F: set no: 7243 8 41655 12 and comp no: 7243 8 41658 19And I can confirm those numbers to be on this vinyl set. Besides that I can confirm it’s the same release as shown on the pics in the other thread started by Lara.
The hand-etched matrix numbers are:
side A: 7243 8 41655 – A –
and – B -, – C – etc. for the other sides.The Dutch seller told me he bought 12 copies of it a bit more than a year ago from a trustworthy distributor, and as far as he knows it is not a bootleg. This was his last copy. I have searched my ass off on the whole fair, and it was at least the only copy there I’m pretty sure. It’s in an absolute mint condition, unplayed and all.
Cool As Ice Cream, I paid ⬠45,00 for it (I tried to negotiate, but that didn’t work, it was a fixed price), you think you want it for that price? If not, I’ll sell it off someday again.
Furthermore I traced down:
I Am One 7" vinyl for ⬠35,00 (good price I thought, will be send from the UK later when the seller returns home)
Mellon Collie French Delabel promo for ⬠30,00 (will be send from France, the French seller will also look for Adore Attention Evenement promo and another type of Adore Delabel promo, he thinks he has it at home… fingers crossed)On a sidenote, I also bought The Cure – Let’s Go To Bed 12" maxi, for it’s b-side Just One Kiss (extended version of over 7 minutes). This has to do with nostalgia; attending new wave/punk parties back in the 1980’s, when I just LOVED that song…)
All in all, I had a great day. However, I feel very sorry for Lara.
ArthurFor many different reasons those are my ultimate favourite Billy pics. The third one is on my wall (numbered 2/3, taken by a Canadian photographer), and I’m extremely proud of it.
toad32r… YOU ARE MY HERO! Forever!
4 kudos to you for being the first poster of pics of yourself, earn 5 when it really happens… Billy wearing the SPfreaks shirt, awesome!
Cool Superlordspamulon, thanks! It shows a new date for SECC Glasgow! Tour History section on SPfreaks is updated!
Tour History just updated.
http://www.spfreaks.com/?page=TOURHISTORY&year=2008
Bring in the European dates here when you know them please!
