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Awesome Milan, I think you managed to put Starla.org back on track. Including SPfreaks.com prominently is a huge bonus to us, and I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart. You rock, mister!
And who knows what happened to Lisa, I wonder? And what about Jeff?
And no return of Melissa can be expected, she is too busy with her OOOM project in the near future, I just read in another topic here. She will be playing in Europe, including Amsterdam! Looking forward to that big times!
OK, sorry to derail a little here. I have to say, I’m impressed with the firmness of you guys opinions, and I feel what you mean. I too don’t like it when Billy spits his shit over ex-bandmembers, I also don’t like his religious thingy with the peace and love and it’s website about it, and everything… And at the same time being bitter about some personal things that he should not be bothered about too long. Bringing it in the public is immature, let’s be honest (to myself
)…Still, I see the big Pumpkins picture, I see the Pumpkins legacy, I see the Pumpkins history (the Adore gigs without Jimmy were still awesome, true or not!), I see other bands on the same bumpy road and yet still releasing good shit. I trust Billy to do the same, as usual. His wicked mind will always create stuff that is worthwhile listening to, I’m sure. He promised rocking songs, and he will deliver them, mark my words… And his wicked mind will also create controversy, as usual. Was it ever quiet around this guy? Isn’t that how he sets the mood for being creative? Wasn’t Siamese Dream, the best album ever in my opinion, created when the band was about to break up?
So, the Smashing Pumpkins collecting fever will not disappear on me, I’m afraid… And I do like the Teargarden songs so far, at least 2 of them!
Awesome, will definately buy this album, if the other songs are just as good. But I have no real doubts about that…
Oh well, I guess I’m standing rather alone with my opinions then…
Not that I care though. In general, I’m not that much influenced by press articles. Except when the hatred being spit out towards Billy is over the top, like on some other forum we all know, or when in some utterly stupid Dutch concert review I read a few years ago, Billy is being flamed to death… Then I disagree, and avoid going there again.
Also I’m not that worried about the future of Billy Corgan/Smashing Pumpkins/their music releases. Life is all about ups and downs, what’s new… I read that Rolling Stone interview thingy with the Jimmy quotes* almost a week ago already, and I was like \"yeah, well, here we go again… what’s new in the music industry and the press that writes about every artists’ fart…\" Billy Corgan has been named so many things all his career, and some of it is kinda true, and some of it is bullshit. In every intense cooperation, there will be tensions. Sometimes they lead to misunderstandings, fights, break ups… What’s new… Check out Prince, Anouk, Eric Clapton, Gary Moore, John Lord, Led Zeppelin, Uriah Heep, Ritchie Blackmore, Michael Jackson, Pink Floyd… Bumpy careers, many bandmembers, still their past and current legacy is very notable!
What counts most for me, is that the music of the artist tells the story. And Billy’s music is in general of high quality, very creative, it blows me away many times over the years that I know the guy and his band(s). Most songs I like, some I don’t (while others still like the songs that I don’t like so much), so fandom comes in many ways, I guess!
* Chamberlin is sober now, but Corgan is convinced that his charater hasn’t changed, that he is fundamentally \"unhealthy.\" \"Jimmy is a destructive human being, and people who are destructive break things,\" Corgan says. … After Corgan told Chamberlin he was out, the drummer \"unloaded\" on Corgan, unleashing 20 years worth of pent-up insults, \"So I was like, ‘Fuck you,’\" Corgan recalls. \"’Go ride around in a white van for the rest of your life.’\"
Let me bring in 2 recent personal quotes about this, from other related topics… Hope you don’t mind!
Quote 1
If you see all that \"limited edition\" releases out there, then this Smashing Pumpkins one is a little outstanding in a good way, just my humble opinion. I mean, which band can say they do 44 songs on 11 releases? Who does 4/6 of the songs for free in a pre-release? Who adds a funny little item like a \"hand-carved \"leopard stone\" obelisk, about 2\" tall, similar to marble\" to a music release?*
So yeah, I’m good with it for the moment. I’m only curious if there will many Made in <<whatevercountry>> releases, but I guess not. And if 99 out of 10,000 will have a different obelisk, well, I don’t care that much. Let the obelisk lovers be happy with that, I’m happy with the music.
*OK, let’s be honest, I recall such thing happened before. It’s not really that new that a not-really-music-related item is added to a music release. For example, my favourite band in the 1970’s (KISS) added a cardboard gun to their 1977 Love Gun album.
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My judgements.
Song For A Son: 9/10 (the guitar solo really does it for me!
)
Widow Wake My Mind: 6/10
A Stitch In Time: 7.5/10I’m quite happy with what is released so far for the Teargarden project, and whatever you think of the Smashing Pumpkins… but Billy Corgan was and is and most probably always will be the main man of the band, if not THE BAND itself. I have no issues with that, and I don’t understand why some people keep coming back to any old band members.
Also I don’t understand why some people stick to some \"era\" of the band when they were \"the best\" or \"on top of anything\". Of course I have my favourite (mostly the rock/metal) songs also, but over the 24 years that we know Billy, being a quite productive musician, he has ALWAYS changed his style, and with every album we learned a different side of him/his band. For me, that is why he is so attractive to me as a musician… And that’s also why I will always be curious to what he is going to release next. Just my 2 cents here…
/Unquote 1 and 2
I felt I wanted to blow out a very aggressive rant against this, but let me try to say it a little nicely…
The impatient, greedy, stingy part of the fanbase should be a little bit more humble in their opinions of an artist that is currently giving away a huge load of studio music FOR FREE the next few years. That has already been giving away almost 1,000 live concert recordings, also for free. This same fanbase could also take into consideration that it is not Billy’s fault that people get pregnant (unless he did it himself
) and decide not to tour with the band anymore…I have hard times saying it is a \"sketchy marketing policy\". Why? In the case of Teargarden he announced the album, he gave some details and so far he keeps his promises, as far as I can see. And I cannot criticise that he hires youngsters also… So fucking what? Mike is so far a truly talented drummer, and I respect him deeply, to take the challenge and to proof that he is up to the task! And what would we know about the vibes and holy flames over there, when we know that good touring musicians will practice and play with the band in just a few weeks? What happened in 1996-2000? We’ve seen several new people joining the band and giving the band a fresh and passionate input, even during an already planned tour! What you think about the recent songs is not my business of course… But sorry guys, for the rest I have hard times connecting to you… but it’s OK. I still love you all! Rock on! \\m/
Oh, by the way, don’t say I never criticise Billy. I set up rants for the start year 1987 for the Smashing Pumpkins, when he says it’s 1988. And I’m also very disappointed that the Vault releases (first the Gish era box, next the Archive releases) are being cancelled. We guys from SPfreaks were in contact with his management to set up a cross-linked online Discography that would be totally awesome to check out for the fans, but then suddenly the SP website was changed to a tiny homepage with a forum only… Bye bye Discography!
Just after dark I wrote
A million episodes of the heart
Candied caution to the wind[/quote:3b01c53q]
This is coollucifer sam?
yeah fucking right.[/quote:cogeeprc]
A 68 minutes studio version of Gossamer, just my bet. So he holds the record of "most minutes pressed on a 7 inch"…And what about this… early Silverfuck! Billy making a mess!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3cOY-kj4is[/youtube]
a bit of a rambling
poem that doesn’t really make any sense[/quote:35c4msjf]Adding these lines makes it even better…
Seriously, nice one. Me likes reading it.
Most wanted music 2. ROCK (Danish 1995 , contributing with disarm)[/quote:as2ascu3]
I think this is not uploaded on SPfreaks.com yet, right? Meaning, I might want to have it in my collection too?[/quote:as2ascu3]
Duhhh, why do we have "My Collection"… To check our collections! Sorry Magnus, I have this already…Arthur already have had his opportunity. That hard working man deservs a little advantage. [/quote:1nddmfmi]
You rock, mister Magnus, thanks. That’s why I set up a place like this SPfreaks.com, to make friends like you. And I grabbed only a few "collection fillers" that I knew everybody here already has, so there should be left more than enough for everybody else… On the other hand, as we discussed before, Magnus, I hate to see that people have to let go of their precious items. You choose to balance it a little, and keep some really good stuff. Good to see that!
Most wanted music 2. ROCK (Danish 1995 , contributing with disarm)[/quote:1nddmfmi]
I think this is not uploaded on SPfreaks.com yet, right? Meaning, I might want to have it in my collection too?The latest single of 1 our best rock singers in NL: Anouk
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWMTxyZomt4[/youtube]
Yeah, you’re kind of right, mirrorboxer, but blueczarina did not talk about new or old songs, just how many songs are in the release. And that’s 6. But you are absolutely right I think, the 4 songs on the CD are not that new, since they are previously released as MP3 (the only new thing is that they have been put on CD format) and the 2 songs on the vinyl… Could be overlapping previous releases too. And there could be several vinyl releases too, like you said! But we don’t know that, yet, though. I’m kind of curious what \"new\" song is on the vinyl, I’m hoping it is really a new song we did not hear before (in a studio version at least).
you only get 4 songs for that price[/quote:320mgf3g]
6, if you include the vinyl. And if you throw that supersized obelisk to someone’s head, you get song #7.
Group hug to Ayoe!
(I’m not so sure if she’s into that, but that’s another story => it’s digi only anyway
)Seriously, Ayoe, don’t give up. I’ve seen shit times too last year, but I’m slowly recovering now. The same will happen to you, mark my words. Give ’em hell, girl!
They made the obelisk 2 feet tall not 2 inches.[/quote:20un92n3]
This cracked me up big times! (I imagined someone at the obelisk plant thinking "2 inches only? That does not meet Billy’s ego! Let’s upsize a little!")
Another double Muse treat.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwJiJQS3yi4[/youtube]
And this is 7 years later…
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99I7gpswhQ4[/youtube]
My judgements.
Song For A Son: 9/10 (the guitar solo really does it for me!
)
Widow Wake My Mind: 6/10
A Stitch In Time: 7.5/10I’m quite happy with what is released so far for the Teargarden project, and whatever you think of the Smashing Pumpkins… but Billy Corgan was and is and most probably always will be the main man of the band, if not THE BAND itself. I have no issues with that, and I don’t understand why some people keep coming back to any old band members.
Also I don’t understand why some people stick to some \"era\" of the band when they were \"the best\" or \"on top of anything\". Of course I have my favourite (mostly the rock/metal) songs also, but over the 24 years that we know Billy, being a quite productive musician, he has ALWAYS changed his style, and with every album we learned a different side of him/his band. For me, that is why he is so attractive to me as a musician… And that’s also why I will always be curious to what he is going to release next. Just my 2 cents here…
Hmm, I asked whether it was like a digipack and the seller said "it’s like a digipack, only softer", which is giving him the opportunity to mention that it’s an inlay/jewel-cased. Awaiting more information like country of origin but I’m stumped. The colours are completely different too. It looks washed-out, probably bad photography, but the blue bar at the bottom of the original release is replaced with a somewhat pink bar.
I can’t tell whether the proportions are right for a digipack, as opposed to just an inlay, but I doubt it’s the original US release
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I don’t know… Maybe it’s re-packed in a different, non-original, package? But the code refers to the US release, that’s for sure! You might want to risk buying it, but with a few more questions to the seller (presuming he is willing to answer them) it might clear it up quickly.Such a thingy or the likes is also for sale on alibris.com (Alibris ID: 10081761497) and they state:
Format: CD single
Description: Fine. Cd single, SMASHING PUMPKINS: Thirty Three/The Last Song/The Aeroplane Flies High/Transformer, Virgin 38574/stock/gatefold softcover ps/silkscr. /’96…. price, EUR 9.75
Maybe you are referring to this item, uberunit?
This item is in our collection here: http://www.spfreaks.com/?page=COLLDETAILS&item=312 (reference: V25F-38574) and what they mention as \"gatefold softcover\" is just the booklet…
I hope this clears things up, for this item or the other item?
-Machina vinyl
-Siamese Dream vinyl (pinkish orange)
-Zeitgeist watermarked promo cd (sealed )
-Lull cd (first pressing US)
-Tarantula Swedish promo cd
-Up Close 98-42 radio cd ( http://www.spfreaks.com/?page=COLLDETAILS&item=2193 )Not the first Teargarden EP yet, because I want to see first if there are different pressings in several countries (which I don’t expect, to be honest, if you look at the rather low pressing numbers).
Furthermore, 3 cd albums of Kings Of Leon (I got very hooked on them lately!): Youth And Young Manhood, Aha Shake Heartbreak & Because Of The Times. Also a DVD concert of Kings Of Leon: Live At The O2. And I noticed that my other favourite band 16 Horsepower released an album that I completely missed when it came out in 2008: Live March 2001, so I bought that one too!
So yeah, I’m a happy camper these days!
No implosions yet, Stitch it is! Available @
