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Cool… i’ll download in a second
and i think SP.com only uploads when they feel like it… quite annoying.
pps: the post has been edited to contain links to the two NL CDs I was unaware were in spfreaks[/quote:3ni1cocr]
I know, I know, we are way to big already!
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Which is why i reckon we should have a keyword search on here!
I suggested it a while ago…That’s an awesome pic of ginger there!
hair could’ve been done better but that dress is pretty awesome
You know what I wonder sometime… I wonder if THIS is reality. I mean, people ask to prove there is a God, but I ask you… prove there is existance. How do I know that I am actually typing this right now? How do I know this isn’t all a dream, that this isn’t all in my head. I know it’s a really crappy way to compare, but think of the matrix… the field of people hooked into the ‘system’… how do we know we aren’t in a similar situation? How do I know you even exist, how do you know I exist? This is where it gets DEEP![/quote:1hb8yi61]
Are you awake lilkitn?
The Matrix has you.
but seriously. You’re just getting philosophical now. This is as real as we can possibly now in our present state, so just accept is as reality. It makes life so much simplerI find the idea of god giving us free will and letting us use it as we will quite strange… and a little bit mean in what comes of it.
God gave us the gift of free will – he wishes us to use it as we see fit. However, if we exercise this free will in a manner that is ‘against god’ (or, rather, ‘non-pro god’) we are punished severely. So therefore, god is giving us the free will to do as he says, or be punished – as if saying \"Here are your options. but i’m gonna hurt you a lot unless you pick these ones\".
So is this free will?
One could argue that if god made it so that we have no free will at all, and simply follow him like sheep, it wouldn’t have been good – what would have been the point, etc. But if he made us like robots, it would have been wasteful – how many billions of people he’s created have been sent to hell?
Basically, we only seem to be rewarded for exercising our free will provided that what we’ve done with this free will suits his desires.
Which leads to another point – isn’t god the ultimate selfish being? He created us to essentially serve him, punishing us if we don’t. We have to dedicate our lives to him, we have to go to him for help, we have to give all our love to him, we have to spend a lot of our free time on him, we have to do a lot for him. All for the reward of joining him in the afterlife. Yes he has shown acts of selflessness, yet he also displays a LOT of selfishness. Surely if he was all-loving and omniscient, he would want what is best for us as individuals and realise that what’s best will be different, person to person.
ooh! Another point, which i am not sure if i’ve brought up already.
Did satan not rebel against god? Does he not possess a hatred towards god? (correct me if i’m wrong)
So why would he be helping god, by punishing those that have gone against god? Wouldn’t satan simply make hell a pretty decent place to be, simply out of spite for god?Religion divides, but Billy binds.
[/quote:2isoh240]Speaking of Billy, i would like to hear his thoughts in this debate. Being a man of the world and all, he’d have a pretty interesting view in my opinion, and from what i’ve heard of his beliefs, they are quite strange and quite interesting.
Also, different point, i think where you are raised will strongly affect your beliefs. Some countries make it almost manadatory that you are religious, whilst others allow more for free thought and beliefs. It doesn’t even have to be on a social level; the home can affect it too. A lot of children are told to believe in certain things and are always told that that is right. They were given a lot of information presented as fact when they were extremely impressionable and didn’t know better – which i disagree with completely. It’s not really fair. And i know that there are religions (most of them actually) that endorse this. I know that this is true because when i went to this xtian youth club/bible meeting thingy (purely to spend more time with my very christian sadly-now-my-ex-girlfriend… the things i did for love
) the guy who was leading the discussion said something along the lines "those of us who received benefits such as being read the bible when we were young…"
it is just brainwashing. to an extent.
and i do not agree with it. even less so when schools decide to tell children that a certain religion is right or whatever (kansas schoolboard, i’m looking at YOU!)I guess what I’m trying to say is, either
A) God exists or
B) God does not existThere are two options.[/quote:5t2jkfum]
This is somewhat inaccurate to say.
If we accept that by saying God, you mean christian God, then it is innacurate. If you meant that ANYTHING that is believed in could exist that would be more accurate, but you haven’t really made it clear
You could say that
A) A higher power(s) exists.
B) There are no higher powers
and take these as the options available. However, you would then need to specify A) down a lot. For instance, which higher power exists? The Christian god? the Jewish god? (which is essentially the same as the christian god) The Sikh gods? The ancient Egyptian gods? FSM? The Invisible Pink unicorn?It is this aspect of beliefs that i find quite interesting, especially considering how quite a lot of believers of a religion will generally say that their beliefs are correct; their god exists.
If we take the vast spectrum of gods that have ever been believed, we can see that it is too hard to simply state that one exists but no other. If there were a regular pattern in the god/s believed (i.e: a lot of religions where they were centered in very distant places from each other and had had no contact but still believed in esentially the same god/s) then we could see that there is something there that shows this wasn’t a fluke, providing a standpoint for reasoned thought; "how can all these different religions believe in essentially the same thing yet have no contact to each other?"
And the thing is, we are actually able to view this in history; off the top of my head, Zeus, Jupiter and Thor all bear a resemblance to one another.i think im rambling now
bleh. i’ll ask a question. Why is is that you believe YOUR god exists but no other higher power exists? (to the religious people) (and this is not asking prove a higher power; it is asking prove your god and disprove all others)
yeah i have same. i was raised protestant but its not that important anymore and im like neutral about it. there was this time i critizised a lots on de church because God was not friendly in my opinion. i looked for quote and found a good one why i was not into this God anymore.
(He kills all the first-born of Egypt, mainly for something that he himself makes a pharaoh do (Exo 7:13 and Exo 13:15). He seems to endorse slavery (Lev 25:44-46), rape (2 Sam 12:11), murder (Lev 20:9) and the slaughtering of those who arenât a part of his chosen people (Deu 2:21). He makes bears rip apart 42 children, simply because they mocked a prophet (2 Kin 2:24). One could go on for a very long time just listing the atrocities that the god of the Bible has committed or endorsed, and it boggles the mind that anyone would want to worship him.)
see… thats what i mean… but i dont mind people believing or not. i once was aggressive guy but losing it i didnt want to pray anymore. silly story i guess[/quote:2qbordw2]
number of numbered killings by god in the bible:
2,270,365+ (this is excluding things like the flood, plagues, and various other mass destrucction thingys)
number of numbered killings by satan in the bible
10
including un-numbered killings (flood, plagues etc.)
god: 32.9 millionsatan: 10
hmmm…
There are different types of civilizations throughout the history of the world. What’s interesting is that there is a correlation between the types of civiliations and the type of god(s) they believed in. Indians/Mayan believed in creationism. Romans had polytheism. Right? God, religion is the worst. Anyway, that 98% thing, first of all, where did that come from? Just because Akhenaten believed that Ra was the Sun God, and pushed this belief on his followers, doesn’t mean that you can say that all those people truly believed it. I bet that 98% is skewed beyond belief. Just like as many people who claim to believe in God, might be saying that for fear of reprimand or because they are too narrow-minded to question it.[/quote:s9ww6eto]
That is very true; in America, there are a significant number of people who claim to be christian, yet only do so out of peer pressure or because they think that that’s what they’re meant to do. However, more and more people are realising that it’s becoming acceptable to be a self-declared Atheist/Agnostic.
But there is still pressure: a majority of American voters said that they wouldn’t vote an Atheist into power, despite an Atheistical perspective possibly being better (less religious bias)Good points manillascissor, but allow me to elaborate on them/correct them (depending on the points)
The editing of the bible didn’t start at King James. The bible was compiled from various texts in ancient Rome, i believe in the reign of Emperor Constantine. These texts were written originally in Hebrew, and therefore there would be some mistranslation. Also, the Romans would try to incorporate other religions into their religion when conquering new lands, in order to strengthen the Empire. It would be no great leap of logic to assume that the Bible also took a similar fate: edited to appeal to the Romans, to make it be accepted more readily. this is quite apparent when you consider that Christmas replaced what was called Saturnalia. Believe me, it was more or less the same festival. Look it up on wikipedia
Note: energy is not a tangible thing. it is merely an idea, conjured by physicists to better explain what goes on around them. And you’re right by how everything we judge is based on light
Oh, and there aren’t 7 colours. there is an infinite number, Isaac Newton simply chose 7 because he liked the number. If you are going for \"definable\" levels of colours, though, technically there are 9 : ultraviolet beyond the blue on the visible spectrum, and infrared beyond the red on the visible spectrum.Technically, the idea about us being walking stars is true. Most of the elements exist purely out of the levels of energy elements such as Helium and Hydrogen underwent during supernovas etc.
We are made up of billion cells. We are not however made up of billions of elements. there aren’t billions of elements. look at a periodic table; that details every element that has ever existed, that has been recorded (i use the past tense as some elements were made under labratory conditons and lasted for only a few nanoseconds before decomposing). And… uh… everything is the same age. All that has existed has always existed – but on a microscopic level. i.e, the level of electrons/protons/neutrons/quarks has remained constant, just in different staes. (boy i’m being pedantic)
and yeah, the depth of the universe is scary
to be that unnecessary in everything… whoa.however, we are both wholly insignifcant and completely significant. You are one tiny spec in the whole place of existence; one atom of a grain of sand on a beach. however, you will only ever live this life from your perspective; your life is the longest thing you will ever experience. so there’s your significance
and i completely agree about what religion is. it’s a comfort blanket for the ignorant who are afraid to accept that they are completely ignorant. But we are all completely ignorant, just some are slightly less ignorant than other
except billy. who knows exactly where he is.
who knows the meaning of it all
who knows the distance to the sun
who knows the echo that is love
who knows the secrets in your spires
who knows the emptiness of youth
who knows the solitude of heart
who knows the murmurs of the soul
and who knows the silence of the world.And except Chuck Norris.
One of my favourite little arguments against the idea of the Christian God, which i picked up elsewhere, is this:
2 of the defining aspects of God is that he is omnipotent and benevolent; without these, he is not God.
Now there is suffering in the world. If he was benevolent and omnipotent he would get rid of it. If he did not wish to get rid of it, then he is not benevolent. If he did wish to, but cannot, he is not omnipotent. As there is suffering in the world, the commonly believed Christian idea of God is therefore redundant: losing either one or the other of His defining aspects.Benevolent mught not be the best word however… omni-benevolent or all-loving would probably be better… *muses upon this*
No and no.
but if i had to be religious, i’d be pastafarian. the Flying Spaghetti Monster is, frankly, the best god out there. Flimsy moral standards, pirates are divine beings, and heaven is a beer volcano and a stripper factory! what’s not to love
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My wildest guess is: the band is taking a rest now, they will tour next year like hell again, and start recording a new album by the end of 2008, to be released in 2009. Billy Corgan has this habit to release an album every 2 year on average. Another wild guess: Smashing Pumpkins, The Live Album, to be released end of Summer (or early Fall) 2008. This will include Gossamer and some other live hits, like Heavy Metal Machine and Set The Ray To Jerry. Last guess: May 2008 will see another demo tape/CD being leaked.[/quote:3lo3jqau]
Are you gonna guess any specific dates?Please do. I wanna see how accurate your guesswork is
Maybe, and this really is wishful thinking, maybe they’ll record Gossamer and release that as a single? Or maybe as an E.P?
i doubt it. it’d be pretty cool if that did happen though
He’s telling he’s fan of Skinny Puppy, and if we can help him look around for their stuffs… I have never heard of this band, any of you?[/quote:1hrdjng0][/quote:1hrdjng0] yeah i’ve heard of them. But that’s all. i don’t know naything about them, i’ve just heard of them is all
not that i am aware of
although my money is probably on (CO)LG!
and welcome to the forum ij0771!
hope you stick around
Phobophobia- Fear of phobias[/quote:29g6c7jv]
now that must suck. you would be living in constant fear
