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My next upload is the CD single for Pug, which should have been a single anyway to my humble opinion. It fits the rules of the contest also, correct me if I’m wrong. As b-sides I choose Eye and My Mistake, 2 beautiful songs that fit this single pretty well. Standard release US and EU, no extraordinary things. Just a good single.

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did i look over it, or is spfreaks.com really missing the uk release of mcis on cd?[/quote:1wpcvxiu]
We don’t have it no.

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toad32r, you’re the best.

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Sven and his girlfriend are staying here with me for the weekend, and today we went out to check some things at a local record store. Harry, the guy from the store, looked up some things for us in his ordering system. Zero EU (or any other for that matter) is not available, nor is Mellon Collie made in France (NL version is available however). Same for Mellon Collie vinyl. It looks like it is the same situation here in The Netherlands as in Belgium (doesn’t surprise me much).

Another source from the US (that was on the Utrecht Record Fair also) strongly believes the Mellon Collie unnumbered vinyl is a bootleg. I asked the guy why he thinks so, or what proof he has, but he hasn’t come back to me yet.

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does the "1-1-1-NL" mean something? i thought this might be a reference to the netherlands maybe?[/quote:1udshf8n]
Tsss, I completely overlooked that detail. I’m sure it is a reference to the country NL yes. According to Sven UDEN has closed down a few years ago, so it is more likely to only find SWINDON on recent releases. We presume the order for this release originated from Holland, and was manufactured in Swindon UK, or that the release was intended for the Dutch market. The first option is the most likely we think.

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My copy has Made in Holland on both the CDs. I’m sure Sven’s story is correct, about the assembly.

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It’s on the Live Music Archive!

http://www.archive.org/details/tsp1992-01-19.aud.flac16

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All thumbs up! This made my (birth-)day!

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As I cannot compete anyway, I’m gonna break every rule

Marquis In Spades as a single, because it’s 1 of their most brutal songs. I love it.
B-sides: I Fall & Alabaster (live)

To give it that old Pumpkins look, this is the artwork of my choice. Red vinyl, limited edition of 1,000.

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He’s looking for the 12" of "Inquisition" (1992) of Skinny Puppy he told me.[/quote:2amie37s]
just looked this up on ebay. not cheap… and the auction is almost over.
http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie … 0178009566[/quote:2amie37s]
Thanks, I passed it through immediately.

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heheh, ticket number 62.

for the brussels show i got 53. i guess i win. [/quote:28cqk8pv]

I bought my ticket at the local post office on 28-12 and received ticketnr 48

Marc[/quote:28cqk8pv]
Last year December already? You got the all-seeing eye where and when the Pumpkins are playing? Cool… Let’s all hope you keep on posting some more info here then.

Now that I looked at my tickets, they both have that 62 number on it. The actual numbers are 11262649 and 11262650. Looks like the Brabanthallen will be too small!

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You can at least find it here guys! I was notified it was available already for 2 weeks!

http://www.livepumpkins.net/audio/
http://www.livepumpkins.net/audio/1992- … therlands/

There seems to be something wrong with the connection to http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/audio .

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Yay, happy! And Cool As Ice Cream beats me, as usual

Remember this guys:

http://forum.spfreaks.com/viewtopic.php?p=2686#2686

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Which is why i reckon we should have a keyword search on here!
I suggested it a while ago…[/quote:2lm5r2gd]
I know, and it’s a pretty good suggestion also, believe me. If you only knew what we are doing behind the screens these days… It’s not on top of our list now. However, looking up a specific CD in a specific country is still quite easy. Keyword search is mainly meant for the fields that are harder to find like matrix codes or individual descriptions per item.

Go here:

http://www.spfreaks.com/?page=COLLINDEX&cat=3

Set Country to NL and/or set Title to Mellon Collie (by clicking on the drop-down button, then type M to jump to the M section), click "Apply Filter" button and voila! Either you get all NL CDs, or all known Mellon Collie CDs, or just Mellon Collie from NL if it exists.

You can also learn the whole Collection by head, which is what I did…

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Hey Arthur, yeah it’s gonne be a little painful, but more of a relief as I no longer have the time and energy to put toward this hobby. If you’re off to see Thom send him my greetings and let him know I’m selling things off, he might be interested in stuff. Also, if he’s getting rid of anything especially rare, let me know. I’m not completely out of the hobby, but I don’t need things that aren’t of special interest. I’m still keeping one RIAA award and most of my posters and test pressings

Talk to ya soon.
-tom[/quote:22u4bobm]

Firstly, I hope you could scan a few things (or take pics) before you say goodbye to them? For example your Adore Award is not SPfreaks yet… Secondly, it wasn’t Thom, but Bram, he joined the SPfreaks webmasters team recently. Thom has disappeared without leaving a trace… unfortunately!

pps: the post has been edited to contain links to the two NL CDs I was unaware were in spfreaks[/quote:22u4bobm]
I know, I know, we are way to big already!

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Hey tjackson80, sorry to see you sell off your collection, man! It’s an amazing set of stuff! Must have taken ages to collect, I’m sure. Will be kinda painful to let it go, I guess…

However, as you seem to have made up your mind about selling it, I’m interested in the following:

Media America Up Close (98-42)
Batman & Robin Soundtrack / Unsealed / Japanese / WPCR-1139 / w/ obi strip
CMJ Certain Damage vol. 35 – Siva
No Alternative / Unsealed / US / 07822-18737-2 / Boy on cover
Adore JP in Cloth Bag

I’ll make you an offer later, as I’m off now on a little trip to our webmaster in Belgium.

PS1 The KROQ condom is not used, right?

PS2 to all members, tjackson80 forgot to mention that pics and info of PI & MCIS NL can be found here:

http://www.spfreaks.com/Default.aspx?pa … S&item=216
http://www.spfreaks.com/Default.aspx?pa … S&item=218

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Arthur, show us some more gorgeous pictures !

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I’m glad you like ’em! I have downloaded hundreds and hundreds of Smashing Pumpkins pics over the years, but I’m still figuring out a good place to show them…

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Here’s another one with a white box on front, but no number.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SMASHING-PUMPKINS … 0172572129

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i ordered it too it looks cool. whats on the dvd? i nowhere read that the videos are on (spfc doesnt say anything about it anyway), but spfreaks says it has 2 videos also? is that true?[/quote:362m4lb7]
Yup, that is true. But you probably got it by now?

In the meantime I bought a new type of UK Zeitgeist promo, yellow stickered. I will update the list on page 1.

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but think of the matrix…[/quote:1cnfw712]
I just loved that movie, it made me realise again that we should always try to think "out of the box". Always take the same pill as Neo, when you feel ready… But I can’t answer this question about reality yet, as I don’t know all concepts of reality. The buddhists however have pretty cool visions and thoughts about "this illusionary dream we call reality". You might want to try reading "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, An Inquiry into Values" by Robert M. Pirsig also, lilkitn. Very philosophical…

Oh by the way, I’m no buddhist myself.

But I do respect many of their visions on life. Humble, compassionate, understanding, peaceful. And you can just pick 1 of the buddhas you like, to use as an example or teacher for your own life. Can be a killer also, that got enlightened anyway for some reason. And when you want to drop him, just do… And pick a new one. But it comes with many rituals also in most cults, and women cannot become nuns everywhere, so there is something to criticize also.

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I find the idea of god giving us free will and letting us use it as we will quite strange… and a little bit mean in what comes of it.

God gave us the gift of free will – he wishes us to use it as we see fit. However, if we exercise this free will in a manner that is ‘against god’ (or, rather, ‘non-pro god’) we are punished severely. So therefore, god is giving us the free will to do as he says, or be punished – as if saying "Here are your options. but i’m gonna hurt you a lot unless you pick these ones".

So is this free will?[/quote:1zj4ap6e]
Agree, another paradox, not answered by any book… I have another explanation to what we like to refer to as "free will". Free will is something we use in situations where we have options to choose from, and at the same time we are aware we have options. But do we always know we have options? And if we do, do we know ALL options? Do we know thoroughly every effect of every choice? No, we don’t. Actually we never do. So how hard is it to make the right choice? It’s impossible. There is no free will ultimately.

So mankind’s free will is limited to the options we know. And religion limits the options we have even more, sometimes to pretty hurtful levels. Think of it, religious leaders stating we can’t use condoms, or can’t have sex at all even, so AIDS is spreading, or only after marriage we can find out our partner happens to be "cold" in bed… And we are talking about the ONLY loving, intimate activity that separates the friends from the spouses here! So what we call evil, doesn’t come from *free will*, it comes from religion itself, and every almighty, loving god allows this situation to continue.

Paradox, no answer… No answer, no almighty god. Let alone the gods gave us free will…

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Yeah, spreading lossless files would be cool. There’s no hurry though.

I’m not really an expert, but I think it might be interesting to find out what equipment was used (recorder, mic), and what happened with the recording before it was transferred to cd-r. Was the master tape transferred to cd-r, or to dat; or was it a copy of a copy of the master tape that got transferred, for example.
Maybe the guy can help you, maybe he has forgotten about the details already.[/quote:36lq3xp3]
This is what the guy responded today.

-Recorded with Sony Professional walkman, at that time the most expensive one.
-Mic: Sony also, the best one available at that time.
-Sound Enchanter 1 time to enlighten the dynamics a bit.
-Put to 2CD.

I think I got the best available quality already, right?

He’s looking for the 12" of "Inquisition" (1992) of Skinny Puppy he told me.

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i think im rambling now [/quote:2z1zrmw8]
To me you make perfect sense, and you come up with a pretty good point actually. Why wouldn’t Ra-Horakhty, the Egyptian sun-god (way older god and way longer cult in existence as the christian cult), be the perfect god of all? Why isn’t Allah? Why isn’t… Fill it in yourself. Well, you know my answer already I guess; because there are so many local gods on earth, it can only be a manmade thing. Why would an almighty god, if it exists, with only 1 truth, cause so much confusion, and allow so many fellow-gods to exist? Why does it allow us to kill each other in it’s many names? It makes no sense… OK, it only makes sense to me when I think "Genesis 1:27 should read: We created god in Our own image, in the image of Us We created him."

Anyway, because I happen to be born in a Western country, I should be christian. But I’m too much of a cosmopolitan (at least in my mind) to choose 1 of them gods… So I choose none, also for this reason. The other reason was pretty well-put by Einstein: "I cannot accept any concept of God based on the fear of life or the fear of death or blind faith."

Some support for my moral judgements in life I also take from Einstein: "A man’s ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."

OK, OK, I’m derailing… This subject is just too cool.

Psssst lilkitn…

Wow, this is turning out to be a great debate, and with no fighting… I’m loving this! <edit> But what I find most impressive is how both sides have agreed to disagree and are peacefully debating their sides. My hat is off to you guys! I think the world leaders could learn so much from this type of discussion. Perhaps then there would finally be peace.[/quote:2z1zrmw8]
Thank you. This is a BIG compliment. You know… Religion divides, but Billy binds.

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Just because YOU do not see convincing evidence it is still possible that evidence exists that proves God’s existence, or at least supports His existence. Because you cannot know ALL evidence pro or con, we can say that it is at least POSSIBLE that God exists can we not?[/quote:3b9b5v9i]
You’re absolutely right Tree_Spirit. We can say that. For the same reason we can say His Noodliness Flying Spaghetti Monster exists, and we have to worship this creature. While I see the irony in the spaghetti religion, most other religions have gone beyond irony, and spilled quite some blood fighting each other.

Let me summarize a few things form this board for you Tree_Spirit. You never responded to that.

"Just my idea. The whole religious concept is grounded from and based on fear mostly. I refuse to let fear control my life and become religious. I do have fears, but no urge to call the gods to help me. I learned to call my friends by phone, they have been more useful so far. And believe me, I’ve been in a few situations myself. Life is way more than fear alone. Life is way more than gods alone. I have always wondered why religious people cannot see that."

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Thats a paradox, not a real theological problem.

To my opinion, it’s 1 of the most troublesome theological problems religion ever faced. When religious people talk about their gods, their almighty behaviour, their ultimate truth and everything, they always forget 1 thing. Their gods don’t control the paradoxes. The gods didn’t teach us people how to handle the paradoxes. We are troubled by paradoxes. So, the gods are not almighty, and they don’t have the ultimate truth. We made them up, and gave our control to them… I’m not buying it. We mankind are responsible for ourselves, we are our own judge. The bible and koran and all are pretty cool history books with some guidelines made by mankind, but no ultimate truth. There are no answers to paradoxes inside these books."

"He kills all the first-born of Egypt, mainly for something that he himself makes a pharaoh do (Exo 7:13 and Exo 13:15). He seems to endorse slavery (Lev 25:44-46), rape (2 Sam 12:11), murder (Lev 20:9) and the slaughtering of those who aren’t a part of his chosen people (Deu 2:21). He makes bears rip apart 42 children, simply because they mocked a prophet (2 Kin 2:24). One could go on for a very long time just listing the atrocities that the god of the Bible has committed or endorsed, and it boggles the mind that anyone would want to worship him."

"killings in the bible
by god: 32.9 million
by satan: 10"

"The history of Western civilization shows us that most social and moral progress has been brought about by persons free from religion. In modern times the first to speak out for prison reform, for humane treatment of the mentally ill, for abolition of capital punishment, for women’s right to vote, for death with dignity for the terminally ill, and for the right to choose contraception, sterilization and abortion have been freethinkers, just as they were the first to call for an end to slavery."

Tree_Spirit, could you respond to those subjects?

-religion = solely based on fear
-there is no ultimate truth & no almighty being as long as paradoxes exist
-religion = war, rape, slavery & murder on an extreme scale
-freethinkers make the earth move, not the religious leaders

I’m very curious what you think of these things.

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